Escobarp Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: What does a hard border mean, in your world Maybe we have different definitions For me, anything that stops free movement is a hard border To me it would be a physical infrastructure. Goods and people stopped at the border checked etc. i dont believe this will happen. I believe the majority of customs checks will be done online and thus to all intents and purposes things will move freely post these checks maybe im wrong about what a hard border is but that’s my interpretation Quote
Cheese Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: maybe im wrong about what a hard border is Surely not!? Quote
Escobarp Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: And we're back to those invisible robot border controls that we keep hearing about. Ok smart arse. Question. Germany and China. Would you say goods coming in from Germany would be subject to border checks/hard border or would this be done electronically by these robot controls as you describe them that don’t exist? genuine question. And could it be possible that said german manufacturer has pre clearance for all goods imported into China and these are filed electronically upon shipment and a trust basis is adhered to in respect of all these goods. Hypothetically speaking obviously because it Cannot possibly happen Edited October 17, 2019 by Escobarp Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: To me it would be a physical infrastructure. Goods and people stopped at the border checked etc. i dont believe this will happen. I believe the majority of customs checks will be done online and thus to all intents and purposes things will move freely post these checks maybe im wrong about what a hard border is but that’s my interpretation I think you're wrong on this And if you are, it shows what an absolute dogs dinner this is A deal that pretty much makes NI a part of a united Ireland No deal which is totally impractical because of GFA Or admit it's a shitshow and fcuk it all off Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: Ok smart arse. Question. Germany and China. Would you say goods coming in from Germany would be subject to border checks/hard border or would this be done electronically by these robot controls as you describe them that don’t exist? genuine question. I think they are potentially subject to physical checks Like when my container gets off loaded at Southampton and is held while customs check it Quote
Escobarp Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: I think you're wrong on this And if you are, it shows what an absolute dogs dinner this is A deal that pretty much makes NI a part of a united Ireland No deal which is totally impractical because of GFA Or admit it's a shitshow and fcuk it all off If I’m wrong then I’m wrong. I’ve zero issues with being wrong on anything. I like many others can only form judgement as I don’t have all the answers. I will be interested to hear smegma’s or anyone else’s views on my German China scenario though Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Escobarp said: I don’t have all the answers You don't need them on here. Quote
royal white Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: If I’m wrong then I’m wrong. I’ve zero issues with being wrong on anything. I like many others can only form judgement as I don’t have all the answers. I will be interested to hear smegma’s or anyone else’s views on my German China scenario though He’s busy googling “Trump supporting school girls” Quote
Escobarp Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Casino said: I think they are potentially subject to physical checks Like when my container gets off loaded at Southampton and is held while customs check it I work for the German company. There are zero checks. It’s filed online at source. When we ship we file and no physical checks. Tariffs etc are payable but there are no containers opened etc thus no delays or anything like that thus It’s done by “robots” funny that I will caveat it by saying the company I work for is quite large in comparison to most so it will benefit from special measures that most won’t enjoy. It was however to highlight its possible cross continent with a trading Partner who is incredibly difficult so surely we can come up with something to make it work Edited October 17, 2019 by Escobarp Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: I work for the German company. There are zero checks. It’s filed online at source. When we ship we file and no physical checks. Tariffs etc are payable but there are no containers opened etc thus no delays or anything like that thus It’s done by “robots” funny that How many Germans do you know that cross into China several times a day in a transit van? Quote
Escobarp Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Spider said: How many Germans do you know that cross into China several times a day in a transit van? Several actually. In all seriousness you will see I did caveat my statement. Quote
Jol_BWFC Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 On 06/09/2019 at 18:11, Mounts Kipper said: I still think we will get an agreement where we will not to be under EU law, you can add that to my other forecasts. This deal means that NI is going to be bound by the EU rules of the single market, rather than UK rules. EU officials can require UK customs officials to act under EU requirements in respect of the application of tariffs etc at the border in the Irish Sea. NI will be subject to EU laws on VAT, not UK laws. The ECJ will have jurisdiction over NI’s application of EU single market rules, tariffs etc. so breaches would be heard in the European Courts. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: This deal means that NI is going to be bound by the EU rules of the single market, rather than UK rules. EU officials can require UK customs officials to act under EU requirements in respect of the application of tariffs etc at the border in the Irish Sea. NI will be subject to EU laws on VAT, not UK laws. The ECJ will have jurisdiction over NI’s application of EU single market rules, tariffs etc. so breaches would be heard in the European Courts. If this deal gets passed parliament England, Wales and Scotland will now not subject to EU law and Nothern Ireland will have the option to join us, think I got this very close to spot on. Edited October 17, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 You predicted all sorts, apart from predicting the break up of the union And to think remainers were called traitors Pathetic Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: This deal means that NI is going to be bound by the EU rules of the single market, rather than UK rules. EU officials can require UK customs officials to act under EU requirements in respect of the application of tariffs etc at the border in the Irish Sea. NI will be subject to EU laws on VAT, not UK laws. The ECJ will have jurisdiction over NI’s application of EU single market rules, tariffs etc. so breaches would be heard in the European Courts. Mounts doesn't give a fcuk I've even bored myself repeating it, little englander Rolled up express and a full english in benidorm Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If this deal gets passed parliament England, Wales and Scotland will now not subject to EU law and Nothern Ireland will have the option to join us, think I got this very close to spot on. What’s to stop Scotland asking for the same situation as Northern Ireland then? i would Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: You predicted all sorts, apart from predicting the break up of the union And to think remainers were called traitors Pathetic The union hasn’t broke up, you need to untwist your knickers. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Mounts doesn't give a fcuk I've even bored myself repeating it, little englander Rolled up express and a full english in benidorm Daily mail, and Algorfa if you please. 🇬🇧 Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The union hasn’t broke up, you need to untwist your knickers. Oh, but it has Well, it will if this deal passes Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spider said: What’s to stop Scotland asking for the same situation as Northern Ireland then? i would They can ask, not sure what the benefit would be if there is a tariff free trade deal. Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: They can ask, not sure what the benefit would be if there is a tariff free trade deal. Because they voted remain and they like to muddy the waters “if” Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: Oh, but it has Well, it will if this deal passes Northern Ireland is still a member of the union. Untwist your knickers. Quote
Jol_BWFC Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: If this deal gets passed parliament England, Wales and Scotland will now not subject to EU law and Nothern Ireland will have the option to join us, think I got this very close to spot on. I’m not sure the DUP and the people of NI will agree with you on that... NI has been the major sticking point for our border relationship with the EU. To avoid the backstop the UK (specifically NI) now has to abide by EU laws, regulations and jurisdiction of the courts. You can’t simply say that because England, Scotland and Wales are not bound, your prediction is essentially correct. It doesn’t work like that and I’m sure (I’d hope) that you know that really. As for NI voting to “join the UK position”, what do you expect to happen with the Irish/NI border if they do...? Quote
Winchester White Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Daily mail, and Algorfa if you please. 🇬🇧 You read the Daily Mail? Well I never! Quote
Casino Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 The practicalities of the NI assembly ever having sufficient numbers to extricate themselves from the deal are nil And if by some miracle they did, then what happens? We are back to hard border and the farce continues Quote
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