Guest Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Surprise surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2019 Bill cash doing his usual. What a waste of time this is. Brought back early from prorogation, and done very little since. Just get the bill going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Good old JB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Surprise surprise Given the government knew they couldn't bring back the motion that had already been approved and did so as a stunt...its not exactly surprising. Ironic how the Brexiteers complaining are the same ones who welcomed his stance on May's MV..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Given the government knew they couldn't bring back the motion that had already been approved and did so as a stunt...its not exactly surprising. Ironic how the Brexiteers complaining are the same ones who welcomed his stance on May's MV..... Indeed; I think I predicted it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: You know It’s getting desperate when this is wheeled out as a reason to stay in the EU, Blackford used same argument last week, laughable. Well said mate. The EU looks so peaceful right now with weekly demonstrations in France, the huge ongoing violence in Spain etc. Farrelli seems to forget conveniently how the EU did sweet FA when the Balkans War happened on European soil, leaving it instead to NATO to sort it out, they just bury their hands. Still waiting for his response to Lucy Powell’s comments re not enough support for a second referendum, echoed again today at lunchtime on Radio 2 in their debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Delayed until tomorrow. Remarkable success for the undemocratics. Suspect the overwhelming pride must be nearly orgasmic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Delayed until tomorrow. Remarkable success for the undemocratics. Suspect the overwhelming pride must be nearly orgasmic What? The government need to bring the bill forward. It is ridiculous - they simply were trying to posture and play games - having previously supported Bercow blocking May bringing her MV back again using the same ruling. Bring the bill forward and get on with it. A vote today was completely meaningless either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: What? The government need to bring the bill forward. It is ridiculous - they simply were trying to posture and play games - having previously supported Bercow blocking May bringing her MV back again using the same ruling. Bring the bill forward and get on with it. A vote today was completely meaningless either way. Boris is not really one for pesky rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Sweep said: Is that now Boris played 8, lost 8? And his popularity is growing. Kind of tells a story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, royal white said: And his popularity is growing. Kind of tells a story Right wing populism is growing so not a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, royal white said: And his popularity is growing. Kind of tells a story Correct. Just listened to radio and they had someone from Labour on didn’t catch who. Masked about Corbyn staying away from the election he has craved for so long. Response? He’s got people analysing the polls and telling him now isn’t a great time to be doing this. As you point out mate Boris’ popularity is soaring. He will get a majority and labour will be decimated. I might even drag myself out to vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, royal white said: And his popularity is growing. Kind of tells a story Based on what? Polls. Most polls also show support for remain now consistently surpasses that of leave in a way it never did in the run up to the referendum. I should also point out that the last major time yougov polled approval ratings, BJ was -16 which means more people disapprove than approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: Right wing populism is growing so not a surprise. Exactly - the masses are swayed by the media and the growing popular message of "people vs everyone else" that right wing populists use. Its a dangerous message - I watched 22nd July recently and striking how Breivik used much of the language used by such right wing outlets. I'm not saying they will all become violent terrorists, merely that the messaging is taking us to a dark place and is being deliberately engineered, by IMHO very very bad people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Who are being provoked by being the actions of those who wish to stop the will of the people being exercised. You can cite right wing populism and the like all you wish. I don’t have right wing views nor am I affiliated to any political party but if I was to vote now it would be Tory party or brexit party because solely of the actions of those who wish to stop this process. It must be allowed to be completed and then we can as a nation decide where our future lies going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Who are being provoked by being the actions of those who wish to stop the will of the people being exercised. You can cite right wing populism and the like all you wish. I don’t have right wing views nor am I affiliated to any political party but if I was to vote now it would be Tory party or brexit party because solely of the actions of those who wish to stop this process. It must be allowed to be completed and then we can as a nation decide where our future lies going forward. He knows everything remember: the fact that huge numbers of labour voters also voted to leave is repeatedly ignored when tripping out the usual right wing bollocks. Of course a small number of extreme individuals have latched on (both left and right), but this was not a political decision in the conventional way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 21 hours ago, birch-chorley said: All along you have said that we need to leave the EU and build trade links with countries that are growing faster The person responsible for the new trade deals clearly disagrees with you, which puts you on the back foot straight away (in terms of being found right in a decade) She is going after trade deals with countries who are growing at a similar rate to the EU. She said this is because we share common standards and regulations! Just because we leave the EU it doesn’t mean that we will see a reduction in standards in order to make free trade deals. Along with Germany and France we made those rules, many say we set the highest standards of the lot I appreciate you have strong opinons on these matters. I'd be genuinely interested in your opinion on what is written in this article. It is clearly from a very pro-Brexit source but it is very detailed and casts back over recent decades. It describes vividly what I've said on here many times - the world has changed vastly since we joined the EEC. https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-eu-is-a-major-drag-on-the-uk-economy/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted October 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It must be allowed to be completed and then we can as a nation decide where our future lies going forward. Confirming that nobody had a fucking clue what they were voting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 21, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, royal white said: And his popularity is growing. Kind of tells a story He has won one, apparently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cheese said: Confirming that nobody had a fucking clue what they were voting for. No I assure you I voted to leave. I know you believe and fanny5 believes you know everything. But you have no idea what I thought and what I think. Despite your protestations I can guarantee you explicitly that is what I voted for. To leave. And it is what we will be doing i would rather leave with a deal but if the democracy deniers wish to prevent this then to my detriment I will take no deal you boys better get your hankies ready and away from sharp objects it’s all getting a bit much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Escobarp said: No I assure you I voted to leave. I know you believe and fanny5 believes you know everything. But you have no idea what I thought and what I think. Despite your protestations I can guarantee you explicitly that is what I voted for. To leave. And it is what we will be doing i would rather leave with a deal but if the democracy deniers wish to prevent this then to my detriment I will take no deal you boys better get your hankies ready and away from sharp objects it’s all getting a bit much If Scotland goes back into the EU later will you move ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: If Scotland goes back into the EU later will you move ? Yes. If Scotland becomes an independent country I will be moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I should add. If the brexit vote had resulted in a remain decision I wouldn’t have argued the toss. Cried. Thrown a tantrum. None of the above. I would have gone about my daily life as always. In terms of independence I believe an independent Scotland is a much weaker country and as such would move back down south I’m lucky my job doesn’t require me to live in Scotland I spend half my week in England so it makes no difference to me where I live geographically I would like to remain in Scotland if possible because I believe I have a better quality of life here and it suits me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Bill cash doing his usual. What a waste of time this is. Brought back early from prorogation, and done very little since. Just get the bill going. Glad someone else noticed. The opposition benches went beserk after the prorogation, now they just want to dither and delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Yes. If Scotland becomes an independent country I will be moving. That is a shame for you (genuinely). Lovely country Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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