Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 14, 2019 Posted December 14, 2019 3 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Anyone notice the change in tone from certain EU mouthpieces since the emphatic Tory victory ? Guy Stupidtwat already getting his excuses in. They had night on 3 and half years of remain MPs trying to stitch us up. Now they've got serious Leave opposition to contend with, I see one or two have already started to buckle. Got a feeling many things will happen much quicker than the naysayers have been harping on about. Bring it on 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🥂 They've already started with the public statements of awkwardness. Very predictable, and understandable I suppose. Countered by Boris's insistence that we're "out" one way or another in a year. Quote
Guest Posted December 14, 2019 Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: They've already started with the public statements of awkwardness. Very predictable, and understandable I suppose. Countered by Boris's insistence that we're "out" one way or another in a year. They’ve got a new motto, something about getting Brexit done! https://www.politico.eu/article/after-tory-election-romp-eu-adopts-new-brexit-slogan/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Edited December 14, 2019 by boltondiver Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) Fantastic news, concentrate minds both sides of the channel. Starmer bleating about it, what a wanker, labour just don’t learn. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50818134 Edited December 17, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Spider Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Fantastic news, concentrate minds both sides of the channel. Starmer bleating about it, what a wanker, labour just don’t learn. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50818134 Why don’t they save themselves the time and just tell everyone they don’t want a deal? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Spider said: Why don’t they save themselves the time and just tell everyone they don’t want a deal? Perhaps it’s because they want a deal. Quote
bolty58 Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Spider said: Why don’t they save themselves the time and just tell everyone they don’t want a deal? Because that would be as fucking stupid as removing No Deal as a negotiating chip. I wouldn't let some of you blokes buy me a fucking sandwich. Boris clearly wants a deal and will get one. All this 'can't', 'won't' bollocks has already been disproved. Anyone remember the backstop? Where has that 'non negotiable necessity' gone now? Edited December 17, 2019 by bolty58 Quote
paulhanley Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: Perhaps it’s because they want a deal. You're wasting your time. If they don't get it now they're never going to get it. But it's irrelevant. Quote
Moon boy Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, bolty58 said: Because that would be as fucking stupid as removing No Deal as a negotiating chip. I wouldn't let some of you blokes buy me a fucking sandwich. Boris clearly wants a deal and will get one. All this 'can't', 'won't' bollocks has already been disproved. Anyone remember the backstop? Where has that 'non negotiable necessity' gone now? Correct bolty, everybody, UK and the EU, know that’s what’s happening, if the EU can quickly come to realise the dynamics have now changed we can all move on. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, paulhanley said: You're wasting your time. If they don't get it now they're never going to get it. But it's irrelevant. Some don’t want to get it, just want to have a hissy fit, stamp feet and throw toys out of the pram. Quote
bolty58 Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Moon boy said: Correct bolty, everybody, UK and the EU, know that’s what’s happening, if the EU can quickly come to realise the dynamics have now changed we can all move on. I think Barnier both realises and accepts that the dynamics have changed. All this posturing about the potential time required to finalise a deal is just that, posturing. This is not like Canada or Bechuanaland negotiating a deal with the EU. The very fact we have been a member for around four decades means that much of what needs negotiation will already be some way, half way or in some cases all of the way there already. Now Boris doesn't have a bunch of shithouses to deal with in Parliament and can ram through whatever the fuck he wants, I anticipate that he will achieve much of his agenda in the time frames he has outlined. He has already proven people wrong on what can be achieved and I dare say (especially with the impetus provided by a thumping General Election victory) he will do so again (and again). Edited December 17, 2019 by bolty58 Quote
Spider Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Some don’t want to get it, just want to have a hissy fit, stamp feet and throw toys out of the pram. The deal we get. Will it have the border in the Irish Sea? That’s all I give a fuck about. Quote
bolty58 Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Spider said: The deal we get. Will it have the border in the Irish Sea? That’s all I give a fuck about. Wait and see. Quote
bolty58 Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 He's a lad ain't he? Perfect symbolism. Quote
Winchester White Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, bolty58 said: Because that would be as fucking stupid as removing No Deal as a negotiating chip. I wouldn't let some of you blokes buy me a fucking sandwich. Boris clearly wants a deal and will get one. All this 'can't', 'won't' bollocks has already been disproved. Anyone remember the backstop? Where has that 'non negotiable necessity' gone now? To a point, I understand the need for a deadline, otherwise it just drags on and on. As for the non-negotiable backstop, you do realise we have gone backwards and closer to the position the EU originally proposed? Lets see what happens in negotiations once we leave. Quote
Traf Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, bolty58 said: He's a lad ain't he? Perfect symbolism. He's certainly something. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spider said: The deal we get. Will it have the border in the Irish Sea? That’s all I give a fuck about. The government are negotiating to get a deal that will not require a border in the Irish Sea, the government are pushing for a deal to be finalised by the end of 2020 and underpinning it by putting it into law will concentrate minds, you should be welcoming this news. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Winchester White said: To a point, I understand the need for a deadline, otherwise it just drags on and on. As for the non-negotiable backstop, you do realise we have gone backwards and closer to the position the EU originally proposed? Lets see what happens in negotiations once we leave. We’ve gone forwards, the backstop was a mechanism to keep us in so that remainers got the time to reverse the referendum, it was nothing else but a remainer plot to fuck over the people who voted leave. Quote
Traf Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: The government are negotiating to get a deal that will not require a border in the Irish Sea, the government are pushing for a deal to be finalised by the end of 2020 and underpinning it by putting it into law will concentrate minds, you should be welcoming this news. So, as I voted Remain and non-Tory, can you explain in words a simpleton like me can understand where the border will be and what form will it take? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Traf said: So, as I voted Remain and non-Tory, can you explain in words a simpleton like me can understand where the border will be and what form will it take? The U.K. government have already stated that they will be pushing for a technological solution, similar to Swiss, EU border but going even further aiming to make the border as frictionless as possible between U.K. north and Southern Ireland. It is in the EU and UKs interest to get a sensible compromise agreed. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Traf said: So, nobody really knows, still. Until it’s agreed we can only speculate. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 On 21/05/2016 at 16:26, Traf said: Out. 2 hours ago, Traf said: So, as I voted Remain and non-Tory, can you explain in words a simpleton like me can understand where the border will be and what form will it take? What made you change your mind? Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Perhaps it’s because they want a deal. Absolutely. I just don't understand why he needs it now he's got such a majority. As I said elsewhere, are there some concerns that within his party, some might turn? Quote
Traf Posted December 17, 2019 Posted December 17, 2019 55 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: What made you change your mind? Like many others, three and a half years ago, I was head says in, heart says out. I'd love for us to be able to stand alone as a power in world trade, but I really don't see that happening. Head won the argument, as it always should and I still think we should remain. Quote
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