Politics

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You’ve lost the plot, economic growth in U.K. is hardly any different to the rest of the developed European economies. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/16934/percentage-economic-growth-expected-in-eu-member-states/

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-within-g7/

 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-within-g7/

 

That’s a 12 month old report. Our  growth prior to the Brexit vote was consistently higher than other similar nations, and I see those figures as a result of our previous higher growth.

Look at the figures from the link I quoted which are up to date, growth  figures for developed European nations are pretty similar and back up my comment that you’ve lost the plot. 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That’s a 12 month old report. Our  growth prior to the Brexit vote was consistently higher than other similar nations, and I see those figures as a result of our previous higher growth.

Look at the figures from the link I quoted which are up to date, growth  figures for developed European nations are pretty similar and back up my comment that you’ve lost the plot. 

What you posted was a forecast - not actual growth. And we know how you Brexiteers hate forecasts....

But regardless it shows us almost at the bottom of the list and behind the EU average....

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

With fan5's never faltering optimism and never say die attitude, I can only assume that poster is a flat dick or Italian WW2 veteran.

How’s life been over your 50 odd years?

”OK, pretty good”

How you see the future?

”Black”

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

How’s life been over your 50 odd years?

”OK, pretty good”

How you see the future?

”Black”

How's life been since we joined the EU?

"OK, pretty good"

How you see the future?

"We definitely need to pull out of this failing institution" 

[Guest]

Just now, kent_white said:

How's life been since we joined the EU?

"OK, pretty good"

How you see the future?

"We definitely need to pull out of this failing institution" 

😉

[Mounts Kipper]

27 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

What you posted was a forecast - not actual growth. And we know how you Brexiteers hate forecasts....

But regardless it shows us almost at the bottom of the list and behind the EU average....

The fact is there is no high growth in any of the EU developed economies and that’s part of the reason folk pointed out we should leave. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The fact is there is no high growth in any of the EU developed economies and that’s part of the reason folk pointed out we should leave. 

The fact is that just will just say any old nonsense....  

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The fact is that just will just say any old nonsense....  

That does not make sense. Par for the course. 

[Mannyroader]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I do not know a single Brit over here who does not maintain strong links with home and remains interested in everything from UK football to Brexit to the price of baked beans at Morrisons.

I do know a very few (in my view treacherous bastards) who support Australian teams against English ones which just does not compute in my world. Maybe they hadn't lived for 33 years in Blighty like I had before coming here and developed the depth of feeling for what for me will always be home. As you might guess, I keep them at arms length and exchange only basic, mild pleasantries. Wouldn't trust anyone like that as far as I could throw them.

The general hoi polloi I associate with at walking football, scooter club events, soul nights etc. remain loyal to a man and are most definitely always ready to discuss UK football and politics.

I imagine it is easier to "go native", so to speak, and assimilate into a new country when that country is English speaking. Links to home, in my opinion, are easier to shake off and embracing an altogether not too different culture is not so difficult.

Where I live, in Thailand, especially in the built up urban areas, there is a tendancy for various expat groups to stick together and develop a siege mentality which accentuates and sharpens loyalty to the home country. Quite ironic really: leave home and end up being more patriotic than you were when at home.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Mannyroader said:

I imagine it is easier to "go native", so to speak, and assimilate into a new country when that country is English speaking. Links to home, in my opinion, are easier to shake off and embracing an altogether not too different culture is not so difficult.

Where I live, in Thailand, especially in the built up urban areas, there is a tendancy for various expat groups to stick together and develop a siege mentality which accentuates and sharpens loyalty to the home country. Quite ironic really: leave home and end up being more patriotic than you were when at home.

I genuinely got into arguments in favour of the monarchy and their continued role of Australian head of state with Aussies while I was over there. So I think there's a lot of truth in that!

[miamiwhite]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

How's life been since we joined the EU?

"OK, pretty good"

How you see the future?

"We definitely need to pull out of this failing institution" 

But has it really been pretty good ? We've had this argument before and pointers didn't prove that did they ?

 

One flaw of the EU we may agree on is the vast amount of money sent back home to families in member state countries......billions annually isn't it ?

Surely, once that loophole is closed, then that money could be better spent say on the NHS....would you be happy with that ?

[kent_white]

2 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

But has it really been pretty good ? We've had this argument before and pointers didn't prove that did they ?

 

One flaw of the EU we may agree on is the vast amount of money sent back home to families in member state countries......billions annually isn't it ?

Surely, once that loophole is closed, then that money could be better spent say on the NHS....would you be happy with that ?

I would Miami - I really would. 

But I think the economic damage we are about to do to ourselves will far outweigh the savings you're talking about. I think we'll all end up being worse off and already struggling services like our NHS will be even worse off. 

I know I'm never going to change your mind and I'm resigned to it now. I just think it's really, really sad.

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I would Miami - I really would. 

But I think the economic damage we are about to do to ourselves will far outweigh the savings you're talking about. I think we'll all end up being worse off and already struggling services like our NHS will be even worse off. 

I know I'm never going to change your mind and I'm resigned to it now. I just think it's really, really sad.

A hit on of GDP the region of £70b? 

[paulhanley]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I would Miami - I really would. 

But I think the economic damage we are about to do to ourselves will far outweigh the savings you're talking about. I think we'll all end up being worse off and already struggling services like our NHS will be even worse off. 

I know I'm never going to change your mind and I'm resigned to it now. I just think it's really, really sad.

If the polls are correct (and they may not be, we remember 2017) all of this pessimism of yours and those who share your sentiments will be very soon put to the test. With due respect to your honestly held views I hope and believe you'll be eating your words in coming months, years and decades. I hope that you also hope you'll be eating your words even if you don't believe you will. I suspect plenty of remoaners (as opposed to remainers) both hope and believe Britain will fail. That is what we are up against.

[miamiwhite]

3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

A hit on of GDP the region of £70b? 

How many billions proven to be recouped by closing that loophole ?

Quite staggering really

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

If the polls are correct (and they may not be, we remember 2017) all of this pessimism of yours and those who share your sentiments will be very soon put to the test. With due respect to your honestly held views I hope and believe you'll be eating your words in coming months, years and decades. I hope that you also hope you'll be eating your words even if you don't believe you will. I suspect plenty of remoaners (as opposed to remainers) both hope and believe Britain will fail. That is what we are up against.

I hope you're right Paul I really do. As far as I'm concerned - as soon as we're out, the blame game needs to be put to one side and as a country we'll need to roll our sleeves up, reinvent ourselves and do the best we can. I firmly believe it's going to be a shit do. But I'm happy to play might part in making the best out of it that we possibly can.

And if I'm wrong. I'll be over the moon. I've got a four year old son who's just starting out in life. I want the very best future for him that he can have. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

I hope you're right Paul I really do. As far as I'm concerned - as soon as we're out, the blame game needs to be put to one side and as a country we'll need to roll our sleeves up, reinvent ourselves and do the best we can. I firmly believe it's going to be a shit do. But I'm happy to play might part in making the best out of it that we possibly can.

And if I'm wrong. I'll be over the moon. I've got a four year old son who's just starting out in life. I want the very best future for him that he can have. 

I wholeheartedly agree Kent 

and also equally important we should never as a nation be too stubborn to hold our hands up if it doesn’t work and look to forge closer guess again and who knows re-enter the EU. 
 

I don’t think it will come to that but I don’t have fanny5’s crystal ball so we will just have to get on with it and unite and see what we can achieve 

[paulhanley]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I hope you're right Paul I really do. As far as I'm concerned - as soon as we're out, the blame game needs to be put to one side and as a country we'll need to roll our sleeves up, reinvent ourselves and do the best we can. I firmly believe it's going to be a shit do. But I'm happy to play might part in making the best out of it that we possibly can.

And if I'm wrong. I'll be over the moon. I've got a four year old son who's just starting out in life. I want the very best future for him that he can have. 

Glad to hear it. It's pointless rehearsing the debates of the past few years again. There's a fair chance the rubber is finally going to hit the road on all of this soon. Away from the economic part of the debate there is one thing we can say right now. That is that your lad and his generation would be bequeathed what was handed on from generation to generation for decades and on once more to the generation before us - and which they to a large degree unwittingly and unknowingly voted away in 1975. That is namely complete control of our own finances, policies, laws and trade policy. 

Let's see what happens. I'm not counting any chickens. But should it come to pass I think the sober assessment of your lad's generation will be that we did the right thing.

[kent_white]

19 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Glad to hear it. It's pointless rehearsing the debates of the past few years again. There's a fair chance the rubber is finally going to hit the road on all of this soon. Away from the economic part of the debate there is one thing we can say right now. That is that your lad and his generation would be bequeathed what was handed on from generation to generation for decades and on once more to the generation before us - and which they to a large degree unwittingly and unknowingly voted away in 1975. That is namely complete control of our own finances, policies, laws and trade policy. 

Let's see what happens. I'm not counting any chickens. But should it come to pass I think the sober assessment of your lad's generation will be that we did the right thing.

I genuinely hope you're right Paul. I'll happily admit to him that I judged it wrong in years to come if that's the case.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Without a parallel universe to look at it will be hard to make an exact judgement on the success.

Guess we'll have to look at remaining EU members and other European non members for comparisons.

Even then, with the climate situation we are facing, unparalleled times are ahead, and it may well be difficult to make any judgements.

There should at least be jobs in tree growing and planting. 

[bolty58]

The only measure will be our own UK success. I believe it will be just that based on all that has gone before through our innate inventiveness, determination and sheer hard graft.

Be reet with fucking great big bells on.

[Moon boy]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

The only measure will be our own UK success. I believe it will be just that based on all that has gone before through our innate inventiveness, determination and sheer hard graft.

Be reet with fucking great big bells on.

Spot on 

[Casino]

Laughable

The belief we are any different than many other nations is soooooo 1950s

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Laughable

The belief we are any different than many other nations is soooooo 1950s

We're a nation that built itself on an empire that people are still feeling the advantages of to this day. 

Be interesting to see how we get on going it alone now it's more of a level playing field. 

Pretty sure the generations that had things handed to them on a plate will be the first one to blame the snowflakes for a lack of stiff upper lip if it all goes to shit.