Guest Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Labour lost more votes to the Lib Dem’s. They also won more votes than Blair did in 2005. The idea that Lisa Nandy or Jess Phillips would have won over those who abandoned them on either side is a bit silly in my view. Starmer represents a bridge between Corbyn and Blair something the party desperately needs. It cannot abandon either of its two wings. If you look at polling nationally Starmer was the only candidate alongside Yvette Cooper who had positive ratings with voters. I’d suggest of the look of available candidates he’s the best bet. A Tory MP told journalists that were Starmer labour leader they’d have lost the last election. So clearly there is evidence in polling to suggest he might be the better choice. And for the record I do think Jess Phillips would connect better in Northern seats. But she’d also fail to connect with huge swathes of Labour support that they can’t afford to lose. Starmer overall would be a better balance. He’s certainly as much of a smarmball, know it all, as Tony Blair was. Quote
Salford Trotter Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Course we can mate. When you realise your ways were wrong and bigoted, then admit your errors, I'll gladly buy you a pint 😊🍾 Don't start me off mate😂, off for a beer now Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: Don't start me off mate😂, off for a beer now Enjoy mate.....there'll be none left in 28 days according to you panic buyers 😂😂😂😂🍻 Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 Actually.......the Leave Champion Visionaries will have drank the country dry anyway 🍻🍾🍻🍾🍻 Quote
Guest Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, boltondiver said: He’s certainly as much of a smarmball, know it all, as Tony Blair was. Seems a calm and clever bloke to me. You don’t seem to agree with his views but if we examine his past and character with Boris there really isn’t a comparison imho. Starmer has been brilliant in law and acheieved things from a genuine working class background. It’s another world to born into money, eton, sacked from a string of handed down journalist jobs. Just my view....He’s probably the only candidate who would win my vote back if I’m honest. Can’t see me voting for Labour under RLB or Nandy. Edited January 4, 2020 by bwfcfan5 Quote
paulhanley Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Labour lost more votes to the Lib Dem’s. They also won more votes than Blair did in 2005. The idea that Lisa Nandy or Jess Phillips would have won over those who abandoned them on either side is a bit silly in my view. Starmer represents a bridge between Corbyn and Blair something the party desperately needs. It cannot abandon either of its two wings. If you look at polling nationally Starmer was the only candidate alongside Yvette Cooper who had positive ratings with voters. I’d suggest of the look of available candidates he’s the best bet. A Tory MP told journalists that were Starmer labour leader they’d have lost the last election. So clearly there is evidence in polling to suggest he might be the better choice. And for the record I do think Jess Phillips would connect better in Northern seats. But she’d also fail to connect with huge swathes of Labour support that they can’t afford to lose. Starmer overall would be a better balance. So Keir Starmer, the remainer, would have won over all those Labour supporters in Workington, Leigh and Blyth who voted Conservative? Keir Starmer the metropolitan MP for Holborn and St Pancras nestled in the London socialist bubble. Labour needs something that connects with people's everyday lives. Pseudo-Marxism didn't crack it. Blairism ran badly out of steam. For a time Blair managed to keep the public onside because he gave appearances of being patriotic and understanding people's loyalty to the country of their birth. His successors repudiated this and I strongly suspect the concept makes you a little queasy. Hence your preference for someone like Starmer. To be crystal clear - what you need is someone who is socially fairly conservative and doesn't like political correctness and woke nonsense. The heartlands of labour's former support is full of such people. The current Labour party is not. It is very attractive to students - but not much more. The minute Gordon Brown accused that elderly lady of being a "bigot" on the way out of her home in the 2010 general election campaign when she was merely expressing commonly held concerns was the beginning of the end. The end is now much closer. There aren't many chances left for the Labour party, perhaps only one. And you want to blow it on the likes of Starmer. Quote
Cheese Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Widnes Two Hats said: I'm liking your replies more by the day 😪 Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 Woke nonsense. Excellent and very apt. Should we all go pan-political. Quote
Guest Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Seems a calm and clever bloke to me. You don’t seem to agree with his views but if we examine his past and character with Boris there really isn’t a comparison imho. Starmer has been brilliant in law and acheieved things from a genuine working class background. It’s another world to born into money, eton, sacked from a string of handed down journalist jobs. Just my view....He’s probably the only candidate who would win my vote back if I’m honest. Can’t see me voting for Labour under RLB or Nandy. No problem, mate. Not defending Boris, never really discussed him, but was he born into money? If so, how come he got a scholarship to Eton? Just asking as I don’t know the answer (and probably don’t care!) Quote
Guest Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Woke nonsense. Excellent and very apt. Should we all go pan-political. With a Panary choice? Quote
Cheese Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, boltondiver said: No problem, mate. Not defending Boris, never really discussed him, but was he born into money? If so, how come he got a scholarship to Eton? Just asking as I don’t know the answer (and probably don’t care!) Fuck me. Have you had your head stuck in a bucket of cement since you were born? You really are perfect fodder. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Cheese said: Fuck me. Have you had your head stuck in a bucket of cement since you were born? You really are perfect fodder. I thought you said months ago you were permanently quitting this thread as it was affecting your behaviour? Why don't you live up to your promise ? Quote
Cheese Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: I thought you said months ago you were permanently quitting this thread as it was affecting your behaviour? Why don't you live up to your promise ? I thought you said a couple of hours ago that you had better things to do than post here? And no, I didn't say that. Quote
Guest Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Cheese said: Fuck me. Have you had your head stuck in a bucket of cement since you were born? You really are perfect fodder. Yes, sure have Quote
paulhanley Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: I thought you said a couple of hours ago that you had better things to do than post here? And no, I didn't say that. It's still the pantomime season. "Oh yes you did". Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cheese said: I thought you said a couple of hours ago that you had better things to do than post here? And no, I didn't say that. Yes you did fella, stop lying as always And yes, I said my piece this afternoon, many hours ago....it was temporary not a cry for help swansong like yours, and all because you knew the end was night...as always ✌🇬🇧 Did the shopping, watched football, made love 5 times, bad a shower, a couple of wanks, then reappeared What's your excuse for re-emerging ? Drink by any chance ? Don't worry, my good friend RW will dig your post out when you said you'd never post on this thread again. Ooooh, how the crowd cheered. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, paulhanley said: It's still the pantomime season. "Oh yes you did". Correct Paul. His meds must be fucking his memory up. God knows what he'll do when we leave the EU and they're in short supply..... Quote
Guest Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, paulhanley said: So Keir Starmer, the remainer, would have won over all those Labour supporters in Workington, Leigh and Blyth who voted Conservative? Keir Starmer the metropolitan MP for Holborn and St Pancras nestled in the London socialist bubble. Labour needs something that connects with people's everyday lives. Pseudo-Marxism didn't crack it. Blairism ran badly out of steam. For a time Blair managed to keep the public onside because he gave appearances of being patriotic and understanding people's loyalty to the country of their birth. His successors repudiated this and I strongly suspect the concept makes you a little queasy. Hence your preference for someone like Starmer. To be crystal clear - what you need is someone who is socially fairly conservative and doesn't like political correctness and woke nonsense. The heartlands of labour's former support is full of such people. The current Labour party is not. It is very attractive to students - but not much more. The minute Gordon Brown accused that elderly lady of being a "bigot" on the way out of her home in the 2010 general election campaign when she was merely expressing commonly held concerns was the beginning of the end. The end is now much closer. There aren't many chances left for the Labour party, perhaps only one. And you want to blow it on the likes of Starmer. The biggest reason people didn’t vote Labour was Corbyn. Way way ahead of their Brexit policy. Additionally in 2017 Corbyn won a whole tonne of votes more than Blair did for Labour - the idea that Labour should become socially Conservative is nonsense. Nothing in the polling suggests that will do them any good. They haven’t been socially conservative in any shape or form since the 70’s and even that is arguable. Quote
Cheese Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Yes you did fella, stop lying as always And yes, I said my piece this afternoon, many hours ago....it was temporary not a cry for help swansong like yours, and all because you knew the end was night...as always ✌🇬🇧 Did the shopping, watched football, made love 5 times, bad a shower, a couple of wanks, then reappeared What's your excuse for re-emerging ? Drink by any chance ? Don't worry, my good friend RW will dig your post out when you said you'd never post on this thread again. Ooooh, how the crowd cheered. What a hero. Go on royalwhite, do what master tells you. Good boy. Quote
Winchester White Posted January 4, 2020 Posted January 4, 2020 Fucking hell Miami, 5 shags and 2 wanks in one day. You need to get signed up for Brit porn mate! Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 4, 2020 Author Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Fucking hell Miami, 5 shags and 2 wanks in one day. You need to get signed up for Brit porn mate! Was a quiet day mate 😘 Quote
paulhanley Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: The biggest reason people didn’t vote Labour was Corbyn. Way way ahead of their Brexit policy. Additionally in 2017 Corbyn won a whole tonne of votes more than Blair did for Labour - the idea that Labour should become socially Conservative is nonsense. Nothing in the polling suggests that will do them any good. They haven’t been socially conservative in any shape or form since the 70’s and even that is arguable. You and your ilk just carry on what you're doing and thinking what you are thinking. The rest of us can be safe in the knowledge of Conservative government for many, many years to come. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 9 hours ago, miamiwhite said: Was a quiet day mate 😘 Definitely, usually 6 shags and 3 wanks isn't it? Quote
Guest Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 11 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said: The biggest reason people didn’t vote Labour was Corbyn. Way way ahead of their Brexit policy. Additionally in 2017 Corbyn won a whole tonne of votes more than Blair did for Labour - the idea that Labour should become socially Conservative is nonsense. Nothing in the polling suggests that will do them any good. They haven’t been socially conservative in any shape or form since the 70’s and even that is arguable. More people cited reasons other than Corbyn though https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/23/their-own-words-why-voters-abandoned-labour Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 5, 2020 Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Wonderful to hear Tony Benn talking sense, wonder what he’d make of this Labour Party. Apologies for including amd inflicting Thornberry on folk. Edited January 5, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
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