Politics

[paulhanley]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

I don’t disagree and have said so in two posts above. In the posts I also outline that there is an issue with using one narrow narrative to craft a whole ideology, which does become dangerous and misleading.

There's no ideology. conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. Indeed conservatism is a bulwark against ideology - drawing on the experience of history to make rational, pragmatic judgements as regards the future. That's a world away from censorious, wokeists with their identity politics and victim culture. If you want an ideology - that's an ideology. I know and appreciate that such trends do not represent the whole of the Labour party or its support. However there is too much of it in the modern day Labour Party and too little of it among the residents of the streets, groves and avenues of England to ever get Labour a majority on that basis. Labour therefore needs to change. It needs to become socially more conservative and a million times more humbly respectful of people's views.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

So are you saying if we leave without a trade deal there will be no job losses? 

Now come on where have I said that? I thought better of you than to try and fabricate what I’ve said. I’ve said nothing of the sort. 
 

of course there would be job losses and life as we know it would change in the short and maybe medium term. But I don’t see that happening and don’t see any signs of our government wanting that if I’m honest. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

You may didn't have mates like mine then because I don't know anyone who would gladly sacrifice a proportion of their wage, to a significant extent, unless they were loaded or knew it was going to good cause like funding the NHS. 

From what I think you’re saying;

read the polls and surveys

They have been posted on here a few times

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Please translate!

Fat finger syndrome in my first sentence that I edited. 

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Now come on where have I said that? I thought better of you than to try and fabricate what I’ve said. I’ve said nothing of the sort. 
 

of course there would be job losses and life as we know it would change in the short and maybe medium term. But I don’t see that happening and don’t see any signs of our government wanting that if I’m honest. 

Despite uncertainty, employment has risen month by month

[Salford Trotter]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Now come on where have I said that? I thought better of you than to try and fabricate what I’ve said. I’ve said nothing of the sort. 
 

of course there would be job losses and life as we know it would change in the short and maybe medium term. But I don’t see that happening and don’t see any signs of our government wanting that if I’m honest. 

Correct me if I am wrong but you said there were no job losses as a result of Brexit. But Brexit hasn't happened yet so when we get to the 1st January 2021, we leave without a trade deal and in the months/years thereafter there are no job losses as a direct result of brexit then I will hold my hands up. I just hope you are right

Edited January 21, 2020 by Salford Trotter

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Despite uncertainty, employment has risen month by month

Correct as I pointed out in my earlier post pal

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

Correct me if I am wrong but you said there were no job losses as a result of Brexit. But Brexit hasn't happened yet so when we get to the 1st January 2020, we leave without a trade deal and in the months/years thereafter there are no job losses as a direct result of brexit then I will hold my hands up. I just hope you are right

No if you read my post I said in my previous career I saw hundreds of businesses fail and none were because of brexit. 
 

I left that career before the referendum of 2016 👍🏼

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Despite uncertainty, employment has risen month by month

And the economy is growing slower than it was

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, Escobarp said:

No if you read my post I said in my previous career I saw hundreds of businesses fail and none were because of brexit. 
 

I left that career before the referendum of 2016 👍🏼

Let's hope we get a trade deal then otherwise things will be very different

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

And the economy is growing slower than it was

Thats because we’re still in the EU. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

Let's hope we get a trade deal then otherwise things will be very different

Very much so. And whilst I really don’t want to go back and do what I used to previously I probably would do as I would earn double what I do now. Winners and losers.
But I would much rather everything is ok and we leave in an orderly fashion. I quite like my job and my life as it is now tbh

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Very much so. And whilst I really don’t want to go back and do what I used to previously I probably would do as I would earn double what I do now. Winners and losers.
But I would much rather everything is ok and we leave in an orderly fashion. I quite like my job and my life as it is now tbh

Nice one mate👍 I just wish I could retire for the 3rd time😁

[Salford Trotter]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Thats because we’re still in the EU. 

Sadly for you that's not the case and our last quarter growth at 0.6%, if sustained, puts the UK even lower

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Nice one mate👍 I just wish I could retire for the 3rd time😁

If I had the wonderful extension you’ve got looking out through those big windows pal I would be retiring and sitting looking out that window into the garden all day let me tell you that much!

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

There's no ideology. conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. Indeed conservatism is a bulwark against ideology - drawing on the experience of history to make rational, pragmatic judgements as regards the future. That's a world away from censorious, wokeists with their identity politics and victim culture. If you want an ideology - that's an ideology. I know and appreciate that such trends do not represent the whole of the Labour party or its support. However there is too much of it in the modern day Labour Party and too little of it among the residents of the streets, groves and avenues of England to ever get Labour a majority on that basis. Labour therefore needs to change. It needs to become socially more conservative and a million times more humbly respectful of people's views.

You are right it is a philosophy, so why do you insist on inverting it and using its lowest common denominator to push your ideological stance against centrists? 
 

You talk about respect, and offer none, you talk about compromise but only on your terms, you discuss social liberalism and display none of its tenets. This might be why some people find your stance increasingly dogmatic. There are very few extremists on this site, the self awareness you request from others might also be something you wish to display so that you can move on from an intrenchment you see ill equipped to navigate your way out from. 
 

 

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, Escobarp said:

If I had the wonderful extension you’ve got looking out through those big windows pal I would be retiring and sitting looking out that window into the garden all day let me tell you that much!

I have given myself another 6 months then I'm done👍

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

I have given myself another 6 months then I'm done👍

And absolutely as it should be. Plenty of time to watch the reds home and away then too mate without work getting in the way. 
 

I will be down for the Toronto game so will try and grab a beer 👍🏼

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

And the economy is growing slower than it was

That is of any relevance to the point I was making?

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, Escobarp said:

And absolutely as it should be. Plenty of time to watch the reds home and away then too mate without work getting in the way. 
 

I will be down for the Toronto game so will try and grab a beer 👍🏼

Nice one mate! Let me know your plans beforehand. I've just booked flights and a hotel for Catalan too

[Salford Trotter]

Just now, boltondiver said:

That is of any relevance to the point I was making?

Just making a broader observation that's all

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

Nice one mate! Let me know your plans beforehand. I've just booked flights and a hotel for Catalan too

Aye will do pal 

I’m in Thailand when Catalan game is on doing my very best bassini impressions 😂 otherwise would have gone over. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Just making a broader observation that's all

Another negative one; why wallow in the possibility of a negative outcome?

I’m not saying rejoice, here’s to a new golden age, but why not have a more balanced outlook?

Edited January 21, 2020 by boltondiver

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Aye will do pal 

I’m in Thailand when Catalan game is on doing my very best bassini impressions 😂 otherwise would have gone over. 

No worries mate

[Mounts Kipper]

13 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Sadly for you that's not the case and our last quarter growth at 0.6%, if sustained, puts the UK even lower

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe

Only 1 country to compare us with in Europe, Germany, lower growth than we have and that’s despite them staying in EU and with the uncertainty of us leaving. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mounts Kipper