Politics

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Another negative one; why wallow in the possibility of a negative outcome.

I’m not saying rejoice, here’s to a new golden age, but why not have a more balanced outlook?

We approach it from different perspectives that's all. 

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Only 1 country to compare us with in Europe, Germany, lower growth than we have and that’s despite them staying in EU and with the uncertainty of us leaving. 

Changing the goalposts again😁👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Another negative one; why wallow in the possibility of a negative outcome?

I’m not saying rejoice, here’s to a new golden age, but why not have a more balanced outlook?

I was only a nipper at the time, but I wonder how many folk were adversely affected by joining the EEC and what it later became?

A truly ridiculous game this is- the no one voted to be poorer bollocks.

Still being tripped out and desperate.

I didn't vote for huge government cuts to local government spending, and subsequent need to fuck off and do something else, bit it's all part of the economic situation of the time. C'est la vie.

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Changing the goalposts again😁👍

Look at it another way virtually every developed EU country’s growth has slowed, it’s not peculiar to the U.K. and we’ve had the uncertainty, now check unemployment in those EU countries, most of them would die for our unemployment rates. And how are the EU going to get growth going in the right direction? Pumping more money in and reducing interest rates again, not that they’ve much more they can do with them, the ECB running out of ammunition. Thank fuck we’re leaving. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[miamiwhite]

28 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Changing the goalposts again😁👍

The global economy is slowing mate, but you try to pin our economy growth/lack of growth on Brexit.

You've changed more goalposts than the groundsman at Wembley in '77

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Managed to grab a few minutes of a debate in the house today; covering agriculture and farming. An interesting speech from one MP, didn't entirely agree with his disdain for beevers, but understand his wish for proper facts.

To the point however, they were discussing the removal of cap and replacements etc.

Food shopping apparently now costs proportionately less than it ever has (out of the monthly wage packet). A proper price for wheat needs to be around £450 per tonne, but is currently around £120.

Not sure how this is sustained, but it's no wonder some methods result in pollution, and issues associated with high intensity methods.

A suggestion that a rebalancing may need to happen, to protect the environment and produce high quality food.

Fine by me.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Managed to grab a few minutes of a debate in the house today; covering agriculture and farming. An interesting speech from one MP, didn't entirely agree with his disdain for beevers, but understand his wish for proper facts.

To the point however, they were discussing the removal of cap and replacements etc.

Food shopping apparently now costs proportionately less than it ever has (out of the monthly wage packet). A proper price for wheat needs to be around £450 per tonne, but is currently around £120.

Not sure how this is sustained, but it's no wonder some methods result in pollution, and issues associated with high intensity methods.

A suggestion that a rebalancing may need to happen, to protect the environment and produce high quality food.

Fine by me.

 

Must admit, they are right on Beevers

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Must admit, they are right on Beevers

Not going down well in Cambridgeshire!

Joking apart, evidence from Scotland suggests much of the initial concern was misplaced, and unforseen benefits to be had.

Time will tell.

[leigh white]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

You say it as though it will happen.

Shall we let it run it’s course and see?

JRM said it would take 50 years to reap any benefits, it's like buying a season ticket for 50 years and watching shite.

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, leigh white said:

JRM said it would take 50 years to reap any benefits, it's like buying a season ticket for 50 years and watching shite.

Would or could? 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, leigh white said:

JRM said it would take 50 years to reap any benefits, it's like buying a season ticket for 50 years and watching shite.

He didn’t say that, though!

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, leigh white said:

JRM said it would take 50 years to reap any benefits, it's like buying a season ticket for 50 years and watching shite.

Rees-Mogg: “We will know at some point, of course we will. But it’s a question of timescale.”

Guru-Murthy: “So how long have you got?”

Rees-Mogg: “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time, we really won’t.”

Guru-Murthy: “Of course not, but I mean we’ll have an indication. We’ll know if there’s been chaos, we’ll know if there have been job losses.”

Rees-Mogg: “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”

[leigh white]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Would or could? 

Well, every year we go down the pan, you can always say, not long to go now.

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, leigh white said:

Well, every year we go down the pan, you can always say, not long to go now.

So he didn’t say it would. 👍

[leigh white]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

So he didn’t say it would. 👍

I believe you have to use your own intelligence when listening to JRM 

[jayjayoghani]

54 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Managed to grab a few minutes of a debate in the house today; covering agriculture and farming. An interesting speech from one MP, didn't entirely agree with his disdain for beevers, but understand his wish for proper facts.

To the point however, they were discussing the removal of cap and replacements etc.

Food shopping apparently now costs proportionately less than it ever has (out of the monthly wage packet). A proper price for wheat needs to be around £450 per tonne, but is currently around £120.

Not sure how this is sustained, but it's no wonder some methods result in pollution, and issues associated with high intensity methods.

A suggestion that a rebalancing may need to happen, to protect the environment and produce high quality food.

Fine by me.

 

After my experience down here, believe me food in the UK is very cheap

[Casino]

And lets hope it stays that way

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

After my experience down here, believe me food in the UK is very cheap

And predicted to be cheaper after leaving EU

 

[leigh white]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

And predicted to be cheaper after leaving EU

 

What the fuck are you lot eating, egg & chips?

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, leigh white said:

I know this much, when Brexit ends in tatters, any Labour leader will piss the next election.

 Could qualify to be a Villa fan this lad. Deluded.

I am saving that post in case anyone ever asks me for the definition of wishful thinking.

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Very much so. And whilst I really don’t want to go back and do what I used to previously I probably would do as I would earn double what I do now. Winners and losers.
But I would much rather everything is ok and we leave in an orderly fashion. I quite like my job and my life as it is now tbh

Blind Freddie can see there will be a trade deal between the EU and UK so, not for the first time, I have no idea where ST is coming from. Stands to reason. In neither sides interest for there not to be - the EU has a trade imbalance in its favour with the UK so why anyone would even countenance that there won't be a deal is beyond me.

Just one of the screeched sound bites from Project Fear which has stuck around.

[paulhanley]

9 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

You are right it is a philosophy, so why do you insist on inverting it and using its lowest common denominator to push your ideological stance against centrists? 
 

You talk about respect, and offer none, you talk about compromise but only on your terms, you discuss social liberalism and display none of its tenets. This might be why some people find your stance increasingly dogmatic. There are very few extremists on this site, the self awareness you request from others might also be something you wish to display so that you can move on from an intrenchment you see ill equipped to navigate your way out from. 
 

 

I have no stance against "centrists". I would argue from a socially and economically conservative standpoint. 

However I make no apology for dogmatic opposition to people who have blatantly sought to deny democracy since 2016 in the sphere of Brexit. That whole episode should never have happened and it is really shocking that it did. We surely must respect the outcome of elections/polls or we are sunk. Similar would apply to people who promote Marxist and far-left ideologies that have been proven to be harmful, oppressive and that deliver nothing but economic calamity. Also to the censorious political correctness thought police who place themselves on a dictatorial moral high ground and lecture the rest of us. 

If I am entrenched in my opposition to those groups then I shall to remain in perpetuity.

The 2019 general election result would tend to suggest I am far from alone. 

[bolty58]

I would probably vote for Paul.

[Escobarp]

#votehanley 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[Guest]

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

I have no stance against "centrists". I would argue from a socially and economically conservative standpoint. 

However I make no apology for dogmatic opposition to people who have blatantly sought to deny democracy since 2016 in the sphere of Brexit. That whole episode should never have happened and it is really shocking that it did. We surely must respect the outcome of elections/polls or we are sunk. Similar would apply to people who promote Marxist and far-left ideologies that have been proven to be harmful, oppressive and that deliver nothing but economic calamity. Also to the censorious political correctness thought police who place themselves on a dictatorial moral high ground and lecture the rest of us. 

If I am entrenched in my opposition to those groups then I shall to remain in perpetuity.

The 2019 general election result would tend to suggest I am far from alone. 

Interesting how “centrists” was thrown in from nowhere......