Politics

[leigh white]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

RLB will still be criticising former labour voters for voting for brexit. Thus alienating them. Not a chance with the screeching corbynite.

I'm also intrigued where you all got your crystal balls from. The EU?

 

 

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

RLB will still be criticising former labour voters for voting for brexit. Thus alienating them. Not a chance with the screeching corbynite.

I'm also intrigued where you all got your crystal balls from. The EU?

 

Don't need a crystal ball, just watch the UK tear itself apart.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Think this weekend is the best time to bulk buy. Beyond that folk might be panicking and kicking the shit out of each other in Tesco's.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, leigh white said:

 

Don't need a crystal ball, just watch the UK tear itself apart.

That's not the same as brexit failing though. More like deniers weeping and kicking off when it doesn't.

[paulhanley]

8 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

😂You make me laugh

Laughter is a good sign. It means you're learning to cope. Keep taking the medicine and don't miss your next grief counselling session.

[Salford Trotter]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Not denying any of it, though!

😁

If it was worth responding to I would. I am very fortunate so whatever happens I'll be just fine so let's hope the country doesn't become poorer and folk lose their jobs as a result. That's the real tragedy of all this

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

Laughter is a good sign. It means you're learning to cope. Keep taking the medicine and don't miss your next grief counselling session.

Stop it please😂😂

[leigh white]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

If it was worth responding to I would. I am very fortunate so whatever happens I'll be just fine so let's hope the country doesn't become poorer and folk lose their jobs as a result. That's the real tragedy of all this

Bang on Pete.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

If it was worth responding to I would. I am very fortunate so whatever happens I'll be just fine so let's hope the country doesn't become poorer and folk lose their jobs as a result. That's the real tragedy of all this

You say it as though it will happen.

Shall we let it run it’s course and see?

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

If it was worth responding to I would. I am very fortunate so whatever happens I'll be just fine so let's hope the country doesn't become poorer and folk lose their jobs as a result. That's the real tragedy of all this

There is no tragedy nothing has happened where there has been widespread job losses. the opposite from what I can see?

was it a massive national tragedy after the financial crisis in 2008 were you saying the same things then about what a tragedy it was? I suspect not mate. But I may be wrong 

 

 

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

You say it as though it will happen.

Shall we let it run it’s course and see?

I didn't say that but I'd suggest it's the way you read my post. Let me phrase it differently, if folk lose their jobs as a direct result of us leaving the EU then that is the real tragedy. I don't believe any one can, if genuine, put their hands on their hearts and guarantee that won't happen

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

I didn't say that but I'd suggest it's the way you read my post. Let me phrase it differently, if folk lose their jobs as a direct result of us leaving the EU then that is the real tragedy. I don't believe any one can, if genuine, put their hands on their hearts and guarantee that won't happen

Sure

Nor can one guarantee the other way.

You actually stated “that’s the real tragedy of all this”, Without an if or maybe.

I’m suggesting let’s see how it unfolds. My constant view has been that there will be beneficiaries and those who lose.

I’m happy to be proven wrong.

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

There is no tragedy nothing has happened where there has been widespread job losses. the opposite from what I can see?

was it a massive national tragedy after the financial crisis in 2008 were you saying the same things then about what a tragedy it was? I suspect not mate. But I may be wrong 

 

 

I am talking about now but on the 1st January 2021 and beyond. It may not happen and I hope it doesn't but what's the government's contingency plan if that happens. 

The whole world suffered through the financial crisis as did we all through rising interest rates etc. I don't recollect a thread on here about it but I know my family and friends were extremely worried and one friend lost his job as a direct result

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

I am talking about now but on the 1st January 2021 and beyond. It may not happen and I hope it doesn't but what's the government's contingency plan if that happens. 

The whole world suffered through the financial crisis as did we all through rising interest rates etc. I don't recollect a thread on here about it but I know my family and friends were extremely worried and one friend lost his job as a direct result

Sorry to hear that mate 

but as a perfect example I made more money in the 5 years post financial crisis than I made in the prior 10 combined comfortably. 
 

highlighting that no matter what happens some Will benefit and some will suffer. Let’s hope the suffering is minimal and the positives really outweigh them and all our friends and family come out of this in a better place or no worse as a minimum 

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Sure

Nor can one guarantee the other way.

You actually stated “that’s the real tragedy of all this”, Without an if or maybe.

I’m suggesting let’s see how it unfolds. My constant view has been that there will be beneficiaries and those who lose.

I’m happy to be proven wrong.

I prefaced that with  "I hope the country doesn't become poorer" but you forgot that bit😂

There are winners and losers in life I get that but my point is nobody would have voted for Brexit if they knew they had a chance to be poorer as a result

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Sorry to hear that mate 

but as a perfect example I made more money in the 5 years post financial crisis than I made in the prior 10 combined comfortably. 
 

highlighting that no matter what happens some Will benefit and some will suffer. Let’s hope the suffering is minimal and the positives really outweigh them and all our friends and family come out of this in a better place or no worse as a minimum 

Let's hope that the case🤞

I'm not sure we'll see Boris or Farage visit those who are impacted. 

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

Let's hope that the case🤞

I'm not sure we'll see Boris or Farage visit those who are impacted. 

I wouldn’t expect we will see hide nor hear of Farage very soon. And I think boris May surprise all the doubters. 
 

and it’s “those who may be impacted” 😀

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

I prefaced that with  "I hope the country doesn't become poorer" but you forgot that bit😂

There are winners and losers in life I get that but my point is nobody would have voted for Brexit if they knew they had a chance to be poorer as a result

Now, I’ll ignore your issues with logic and English, but we have the age old counter to the “nobody voted to be poorer” nonsense.

Millions vote Labour at every GE and local election, and invariably they are impoverished.

And, as we have highlighted many times, people were voted for other, higher, things, than just money in their pocket, which you either don’t get, or choose to ignore.

[Not in Crawley]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Out of interest fella, why could you credibly argue this is as much a fault of the right ?

Quite a blase comment to make 

Not really, who started the city project? Who started to really centralise power to their supporters heartlands? It sure as hell was Michael bleeding Foot.

selectivism is a current stain on political debate, I’m just trying to lay out that some of the narratives being peddled are over simplistic and just used as propagandist crowbars. Which is helpful for everyone.

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I wouldn’t expect we will see hide nor hear of Farage very soon. And I think boris May surprise all the doubters. 
 

and it’s “those who may be impacted” 😀

You better Javid that as he thinks there will be losers out of this

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, paulhanley said:

There are many commentators who have identified the disconnect between a London-centric, middle class, University educated, woke Labour party and the working class. Not just me by a very long chalk. 

I don’t disagree and have said so in two posts above. In the posts I also outline that there is an issue with using one narrow narrative to craft a whole ideology, which does become dangerous and misleading.

[Escobarp]

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

You better Javid that as he thinks there will be losers out of this

There’s loser each and every year. I’ve seen more businesses fail than I can remember in my previous career . Each time people suffer sometimes massively and often through no fault of those who suffer the most. 
Each time there’s various reasons. But none of them were because of brexit 

it’s a life cycle. If brexit hadn’t happened we would still have people winning and people losing. That’s life. 
 

and if I suffer what will I do? Pick myself up dust myself down and move onto something else and rebuild. 

[Salford Trotter]

9 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Now, I’ll ignore your issues with logic and English, but we have the age old counter to the “nobody voted to be poorer” nonsense.

Millions vote Labour at every GE and local election, and invariably they are impoverished.

And, as we have highlighted many times, people were voted for other, higher, things, than just money in their pocket, which you either don’t get, or choose to ignore.

You may didn't have mates like mine then because I don't know anyone who would gladly sacrifice a proportion of their wage, to a significant extent, unless they were loaded or knew it was going to good cause like funding the NHS. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Salford Trotter

[miamiwhite]

40 minutes ago, leigh white said:

 

Don't need a crystal ball, just watch the UK tear itself apart.

Just like Leigh would never have a Tory in place 😂😂😂😂

Stick to supping pal.

[Salford Trotter]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

There’s loser each and every year. I’ve seen more businesses fail than I can remember in my previous career . Each time people suffer sometimes massively and often through no fault of those who suffer the most. 
Each time there’s various reasons. But none of them were because of brexit 

it’s a life cycle. If brexit hadn’t happened we would still have people winning and people losing. That’s life. 
 

and if I suffer what will I do? Pick myself up dust myself down and move onto something else and rebuild. 

So are you saying if we leave without a trade deal there will be no job losses? 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

You may didn't have mates like mine then because I don't know anyone who would gladly sacrifice a proportion of their wage, to a significant extent, unless they were loaded or knew it was going to good cause like funding the NHS. 

Please translate!