Politics

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Aye was thinking the same.

If a company has been exporting/importing stuff with a particular country for X amount of years why would extra checks be needed? 

Would be in nobodies interest surely.

Money talks.

There has to be summat as we aren’t in the customs union. But what that looks like today will be very different than it looks like as time goes on

 

money does talk and like I say it’s not in the EU’s interest to lump massive costs and time delays on its people to export to the UK

[Spider]

Just now, paulhanley said:

Maybe you should focus on what's been achieved. We have a comprehensive trade agreement with the EU with our sovereignty fully restored. Tarriff-free and quota free trade continues. It's exactly what the die-hards who are in love with the EU said was never possible.

Or in short.... oven-ready. 😁😁😁😁😍

I can only tell you my own experience of the damage it has caused me and my company. I don’t think I need repeat the details but I am out of pocket because of what’s been going on.

The only responses I ever get when I lay bare these facts, are suggestions that things will improve because of sovereignty.

What you’re saying here is that next month my business can continue to trade exactly as we were doing prior to 2016. The rest of it is of no interest to me whatsoever. From what I read the fisherfolk have been bummed.

Much of this is notional. I can point to actual, real world examples of the disadvantages of what’s happened. You can’t. Nor can you give details of actual improvements to my life beyond whimsical flag-waving. You can say sovereignty a million times but that won’t replace the money I lost.

I voted to leave, it’s been dealt with terribly and we are back where we were 4 years ago as far as I can tell.

And before you mention it, I don’t give a fuck about borders.

[paulhanley]

Just now, Spider said:

I can only tell you my own experience of the damage it has caused me and my company. I don’t think I need repeat the details but I am out of pocket because of what’s been going on.

The only responses I ever get when I lay bare these facts, are suggestions that things will improve because of sovereignty.

What you’re saying here is that next month my business can continue to trade exactly as we were doing prior to 2016. The rest of it is of no interest to me whatsoever. From what I read the fisherfolk have been bummed.

Much of this is notional. I can point to actual, real world examples of the disadvantages of what’s happened. You can’t. Nor can you give details of actual improvements to my life beyond whimsical flag-waving. You can say sovereignty a million times but that won’t replace the money I lost.

I voted to leave, it’s been dealt with terribly and we are back where we were 4 years ago as far as I can tell.

And before you mention it, I don’t give a fuck about borders.

It would have been dealt with far more expeditiously without the chicanery of remainers. We've seen now what was achievable by playing hardball with the EU in the way they did with us and believing in this country. This could all have been achieved two years ago without the nonsense we saw between the 2017 and 2019 general elections. 

Never, ever listen to a remainer. Wrong about absolutely everything since day one. Painfully so.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

It would have been dealt with far more expeditiously without the chicanery of remainers. We've seen now what was achievable by playing hardball with the EU in the way they did with us and believing in this country. This could all have been achieved two years ago without the nonsense we saw between the 2017 and 2019 general elections. 

Never, ever listen to a remainer. Wrong about absolutely everything since day one. Painfully so.

You need to let it go.

Take some of your own advice.

I note you’ve avoided any points I raised. Don’t worry. I understand.

Have a brew, do a crossword. The victory is sealed.

[paulhanley]

Just now, Spider said:

You need to let it go.

Take some of your own advice.

I note you’ve avoided any points I raised. Don’t worry. I understand.

Have a brew, do a crossword. The victory is sealed.

I dealt with your points. Nobody on the leave side of the equation was responsible for the delays and we've now seen what was always achievable through mature hard-ball negotiation. 

I've got a brew thanks. The victory is indeed sealed. Gina Miller must be crying in to her legal papers.

[Spider]

Just now, paulhanley said:

I dealt with your points. Nobody on the leave side of the equation was responsible for the delays and we've now seen what was always achievable through mature hard-ball negotiation. 

I've got a brew thanks. The victory is indeed sealed. Gina Miller must be crying in to her legal papers.

What was achievable being the same trading conditions as we already had?

Paul, tell me in terms I can measure what the improvements are.

I’m on your side here in terms of the choice I made, but I want more than the ability to sit in a bar in Benidorm and sing Rule Britannia.

Want my money back, for a start.

[paulhanley]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

What was achievable being the same trading conditions as we already had?

Paul, tell me in terms I can measure what the improvements are.

I’m on your side here in terms of the choice I made, but I want more than the ability to sit in a bar in Benidorm and sing Rule Britannia.

Want my money back, for a start.

THe same trading conditions with the chance to hugely improve trading relations with the 90 per cent of the world outside the EU, much of which is burgeoning economically, outstripping the over-regulated and bureaucratically strangled bloc. Liz Truss has made a great start on this and 2021 is going to be a year of regular announcements as regards trade deals with other nations. All negotiated with our particular needs and wants in mind as well as theirs - bespoke and tailored. The economic possibilities are very exciting - and for all parts of the UK, not just those who have benefited from financial services in the South East.

Meanwhile we also have the same trading relationship without the stifling, burdensome regulation, without having to pay billions each year for the privilege and without unelected commissioners taking key decisions over large policy areas that affect people's lives on a daily basis and kill aspiration and innovation

In short we can act with an alacrity and nimbleness that has not been possible for 40 years or more. 

And I have to say if I was French, German, Dutch or Irish I would be wanting the same. The EU is an anachronism interested in its own continued existence and not one jot in the prosperity of the people who live there. 

[Mounts Kipper]

30 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

They should just appoint Steve Bray as their leader and have done with. Never can there have been a more discredited out of touch political party in this country.

You forgot the Labour Party. 😂

[Escobarp]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You forgot the Labour Party. 😂

Tbf at least the lib dems are nailing their colors to the mast. Labour are essentially now a party that just shakes its head, adds no value whatsoever and then says when this goes wrong it’s all on you. They are pointless in their current guise. 

[paulhanley]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You forgot the Labour Party. 😂

Oh yes. The party of the working class. Who these days only represent woke university graduates who love diversity as long as its not diversity of opinion. And who love inclusiveness. Unless it involves listening to and including the views of working class people in their policy making. Kicked in the balls by Workington Man but carrying on down the same nonsensical path irrespective.

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Oh yes. The party of the working class. Who these days only represent woke university graduates who love diversity as long as its not diversity of opinion. And who love inclusiveness. Unless it involves listening to and including the views of working class people in their policy making. Kicked in the balls by Workington Man but carrying on down the same nonsensical path irrespective.

Diversity of opinion.

That’ll send some Irony-O-Meters off the scale

[miamiwhite]

36 minutes ago, Spider said:

What was achievable being the same trading conditions as we already had?

Paul, tell me in terms I can measure what the improvements are.

I’m on your side here in terms of the choice I made, but I want more than the ability to sit in a bar in Benidorm and sing Rule Britannia.

Want my money back, for a start.

What about the money we won't be paying the EU for a start ?

Did that slip your mind ?

[Spider]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

What about the money we won't be paying the EU for a start ?

Did that slip your mind ?

Where do I apply for the thousands lost at our place?

The bigger picture becomes of little interest when it’s your own pockets that've been pilfered

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

What about the money we won't be paying the EU for a start ?

Did that slip your mind ?

Spider is like most looking at it from a selfish point of view. It’s how we tend to measure things in reality eh. The money to the EU that we won’t pay won’t be tangible as a benefit 

[miamiwhite]

52 minutes ago, Spider said:

I can only tell you my own experience of the damage it has caused me and my company. I don’t think I need repeat the details but I am out of pocket because of what’s been going on.

The only responses I ever get when I lay bare these facts, are suggestions that things will improve because of sovereignty.

What you’re saying here is that next month my business can continue to trade exactly as we were doing prior to 2016. The rest of it is of no interest to me whatsoever. From what I read the fisherfolk have been bummed.

Much of this is notional. I can point to actual, real world examples of the disadvantages of what’s happened. You can’t. Nor can you give details of actual improvements to my life beyond whimsical flag-waving. You can say sovereignty a million times but that won’t replace the money I lost.

I voted to leave, it’s been dealt with terribly and we are back where we were 4 years ago as far as I can tell.

And before you mention it, I don’t give a fuck about borders.

Did you actually start losing trade this year or was it last year ?

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Spider is like most looking at it from a selfish point of view. It’s how we tend to measure things in reality eh. The money to the EU that we won’t pay won’t be tangible as a benefit 

He'll never stop bleating.  Next time, he should research fully before casting his precious vote.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Did you actually start losing trade this year or was it last year ?

What’s the difference??

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Spider is like most looking at it from a selfish point of view. It’s how we tend to measure things in reality eh. The money to the EU that we won’t pay won’t be tangible as a benefit 

Every man for himself.

It’s The Mounts Way 😁

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

What’s the difference??

Finances obviously.

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, Spider said:

I can only tell you my own experience of the damage it has caused me and my company. I don’t think I need repeat the details but I am out of pocket because of what’s been going on.

The only responses I ever get when I lay bare these facts, are suggestions that things will improve because of sovereignty.

What you’re saying here is that next month my business can continue to trade exactly as we were doing prior to 2016. The rest of it is of no interest to me whatsoever. From what I read the fisherfolk have been bummed.

Much of this is notional. I can point to actual, real world examples of the disadvantages of what’s happened. You can’t. Nor can you give details of actual improvements to my life beyond whimsical flag-waving. You can say sovereignty a million times but that won’t replace the money I lost.

I voted to leave, it’s been dealt with terribly and we are back where we were 4 years ago as far as I can tell.

And before you mention it, I don’t give a fuck about borders.

The fisher people haven’t been bummed, quite the opposite.

if they had 100% of the catch, assuming they had the kit to do so, which they haven’t, they would have had to sell it to the EU countries with tariffs. 
 

Now they can plan to grow an industry, with Govt help, and then sell it to the EU without tariffs. Assuming they will buy it, of course.

[Spider]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

Finances obviously.

Things started to disappear in 2019, and continued through this year as the uncertainty increased.

You know all this, as you mention often you have to put up with my bleating.

our Irish customers are sticking with their Dutch friends in the EU.

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The fisher people haven’t been bummed, quite the opposite.

if they had 100% of the catch, assuming they had the kit to do so, which they haven’t, they would have had to sell it to the EU countries with tariffs. 
 

Now they can plan to grow an industry, with Govt help, and then sell it to the EU without tariffs. Assuming they will buy it, of course.

I read it in a newspaper, think it was the Daily Prophet

And the National Federation of Fishermen's Organisation (NFFO) accused Mr Johnson of having "bottled it" on fishing quotas to secure only "a fraction of what the UK has a right to under international law".

Barrie Deas, chief executive of the NFFO, said Mr Johnson had "sacrificed" fishing to other priorities, after the subject proved to be an enduring sticking point during negotiations.

"Lacking legal, moral or political negotiating leverage on fish, the EU made the whole trade deal contingent on a UK surrender on fisheries," Mr Deas said.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Spider

[paulhanley]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The fisher people haven’t been bummed, quite the opposite.

if they had 100% of the catch, assuming they had the kit to do so, which they haven’t, they would have had to sell it to the EU countries with tariffs. 
 

Now they can plan to grow an industry, with Govt help, and then sell it to the EU without tariffs. Assuming they will buy it, of course.

This is correct. Such is the decimation of the fishing industry in this country that the infrastructure does not yet exist to deal with the full extent of the wealth of our territorial fishing grounds. We have five years to incrementally rectify that now. I suspect a mixture of Govt help and entrepeneurial spirit will incrementally do just that. Another fully functioning sector of the economy in the regions beyond London and the SE will build and contribute to our forthcoming economic prosperity. A great example of levelling up.

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

Every man for himself.

It’s The Mounts Way 😁

🤣. Human nature. If family and friends Are ok and we’re ok tends not to deviate much from that apart from do-gooders and virtue signallers 

[jules_darby]

Fantastic reading this;

It mirrors old Hughmungus on footy bit...

All that’s good is the Brexiteers doing 

All that’s bad is those pesky remainers

Piss funny the bile being spouted. That’s entertained me while I have my coffee.

Brilliant and amusing stuff, please do keep it up