Politics

[Farrelli]

15 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Scotland’s independence is less likely now, in my view

I disagree but time will tell. The Scottish fishing industry and seed potatoes farming sector have been left high and dry by the deal. Add into the mix Boris  Johnson’s general opinion of devolution (“a disaster” I think he called it) and it’s hard to see any other outcome. Just a matter of time now.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

I disagree but time will tell. The Scottish fishing industry and seed potatoes farming sector have been left high and dry by the deal. Add into the mix Boris  Johnson’s general opinion of devolution (“a disaster” I think he called it) and it’s hard to see any other outcome. Just a matter of time now.

See above for the fishing industry (you are wrong, by the way)

And read my note above.

The truth is that time will tell.

 

[Farrelli]

Just now, boltondiver said:

See above for the fishing industry (you are wrong, by the way)

And read my note above.

The truth is that time will tell.

 

Scotland has had enough of Westminster interfering with their affairs, most notably taking them out of the EU against their will. Scotland will be poorer as a consequence, it has been the best boost that independence movement could have had. Johnson treats the SNP with contempt in parliament and I’m not really surprised more Scottish people are now in favour.

[miamiwhite]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

A cabal? Really? There are some extreme brexiteers on here but there are also people with polar opposite views who “were” vociferous. Fair play on that front to farrelli for continuing to air his extremist viewpoints whilst others have disappeared since Xmas eve. 

A cabal of extreme Brexiteers......haha.

I suppose the opposing numbers are just passionate in their beliefs etc.

Same with the SNP, Nationalists proud to wave their proud and voice their love of their country.

If we do it, we are seen as racist.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking 

[paulhanley]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

A cabal of extreme Brexiteers......haha.

I suppose the opposing numbers are just passionate in their beliefs etc.

Same with the SNP, Nationalists proud to wave their proud and voice their love of their country.

If we do it, we are seen as racist.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking 

Indeed. 

17 million fuck off to um. 

 

[Duck Egg]

16 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

 

I live here and see the anti English rhetoric amongst a lot of people especially outwith the major cities. It’s growing at a rate of knots. Driven by the messaging of the SNP. 

This was my thought, so I was surprised at BDs belief that it makes Scottish independence less likely. 

As a nation they voted against Brexit.  Anti English sentiment drives a lot of their support and Brexit has been sold as an English mess that will be disastrous for Scotland. MSPs are lobbying the European parliament asking for consideration for an independent Scotland to be admitted to the EU.

I think they'll leave the union in the next 2 or 3 years.  I'd expect them to have to wait at least 10 years to get into the EU but it may get rushed through to poke the UK in the eye (what's left of it)

[jules_darby]

6 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

A cabal of extreme Brexiteers......haha.

I suppose the opposing numbers are just passionate in their beliefs etc.

Same with the SNP, Nationalists proud to wave their proud and voice their love of their country.

If we do it, we are seen as racist.

The hypocrisy is breathtaking 

You’re putting an awful lot of words into folks’ mouths there

 

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Indeed. 

17 million fuck off to um. 

 

That is pathetic. 

[Carlos]

Does anyone else see the irony in a country that has conquered, invaded, enslaved and slaughtered countless folk, many of them wiped out of history, wanting their own sovereignty or whatever bollocks is being spouted? We need to hand back everywhere we’ve conquered historically, otherwise it’s out and out hypocrisy. Gib, Falklands, Pitcairn, hand them all back.

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

You’re putting an awful lot of words into folks’ mouths there

 

Really ?

Do some research.

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

This was my thought, so I was surprised at BDs belief that it makes Scottish independence less likely. 

As a nation they voted against Brexit.  Anti English sentiment drives a lot of their support and Brexit has been sold as an English mess that will be disastrous for Scotland. MSPs are lobbying the European parliament asking for consideration for an independent Scotland to be admitted to the EU.

I think they'll leave the union in the next 2 or 3 years.  I'd expect them to have to wait at least 10 years to get into the EU but it may get rushed through to poke the UK in the eye (what's left of it)

I agree with everything you have written their. Sturgeon wanted no deal which would have sealed independence. She didn’t get it so now she has to go for second prize to discredit the deal And everytime she speaks the anti Westminster rhetoric spills out. 
 

She will get her wish though eventually.  It’s just a matter of time. 
 

sadly she has created a large swathe of bigots and that number will grow steadily as long as she and the SNP are in power and get all the air time to pedal this message that they require. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

This was my thought, so I was surprised at BDs belief that it makes Scottish independence less likely. 

As a nation they voted against Brexit.  Anti English sentiment drives a lot of their support and Brexit has been sold as an English mess that will be disastrous for Scotland. MSPs are lobbying the European parliament asking for consideration for an independent Scotland to be admitted to the EU.

I think they'll leave the union in the next 2 or 3 years.  I'd expect them to have to wait at least 10 years to get into the EU but it may get rushed through to poke the UK in the eye (what's left of it)

Scotland isn’t a nation, it is a country. Their National Anthem is GSTQ, still.

There was one constituency in the referendum.

I’d be astonished if they were anywhere near a vote in this Parliament, let alone being separate.

And, if they didn’t go straight to “being independent in the EU” (bit of a contradiction there), then they would, probably, really struggle as an independent state.

However, if that was the will of the people, then so be it.

The SNP were anti-EU in the 1975 referendum 

Edited December 27, 2020 by boltondiver

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

Scotland isn’t a nation, it is a country. Their National Anthem is GSTQ, still.

There was one constituency in the referendum.

I’d be astonished if they were anywhere near a vote in this Parliament, let alone being separate.

And, if they didn’t go straight to “being independent in the EU” (bit of a contradiction there), then they would, probably, really struggle as an independent state.

However, if that was the will of the people, then so be it.

The SNP where anti-EU in the 1975 referendum 

And folk don't realise that every time Sturgeon speaks, its almost like a party political broadcast for the SNP with her rhetoric. 

She needs to concentrate foremost on the country she governs and the problems currently facing Scotland, before even thinking about anything else.

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Scotland isn’t a nation, it is a country. Their National Anthem is GSTQ, still.

There was one constituency in the referendum.

I’d be astonished if they were anywhere near a vote in this Parliament, let alone being separate.

And, if they didn’t go straight to “being independent in the EU” (bit of a contradiction there), then they would, probably, really struggle as an independent state.

However, if that was the will of the people, then so be it.

The SNP were anti-EU in the 1975 referendum 

What has the national anthem got to do with anything?

as it happens apart from people who support rangers and hearts realistically the national anthem is very much flower of Scotland.  

[jules_darby]

13 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Really ?

Do some research.

Why would I do that? 🤣 And on what?

I’m 2 hours into Lego building for my lad and not even half way yet. It’s 9+ so more my level; you the expert can spend your time researching remoaners to hate, or whatever it is now

Enjoy 👍🏻

[Sweep]

50 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I know you’re not. You’re far from It actually. 
 

do you not find suicide watch farrelli’s comments about brexit being to blame for everything that’s bad (even the droughts and famine in Ethiopia and the like ) just as strange and funny as Paul’s opposing views? 

They're certainly both a bit mental, on this topic, in their own separate ways. 

[tomski]

Just now, Sweep said:

They're certainly both a bit mental, on this topic, in their own separate ways. 

Agreed

[MickyD]

12 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

What has the national anthem got to do with anything?

as it happens apart from people who support rangers and hearts realistically the national anthem is very much flower of Scotland.  

Just as Wales has Land of my Father’s.

Both Scotland’s and Wales’ anthems piss all over ours for patriotic fervour. I’m sorry, I don’t know what percentage of the Nation are church-going believers but what hasGod got to do with saving the queen. It’s almost like, every time we change the gender of monarch, we’re singing;

God save our Gracious Queen... [What? She died?]

In that case, God save our Gracious King

[kent_white]

30 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I agree with everything you have written their. Sturgeon wanted no deal which would have sealed independence. She didn’t get it so now she has to go for second prize to discredit the deal And everytime she speaks the anti Westminster rhetoric spills out. 
 

She will get her wish though eventually.  It’s just a matter of time. 
 

sadly she has created a large swathe of bigots and that number will grow steadily as long as she and the SNP are in power and get all the air time to pedal this message that they require. 

Isn't she just using precisely the same tactics that the leave campaign (very successfully) used?

[miamiwhite]

17 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Why would I do that? 🤣 And on what?

I’m 2 hours into Lego building for my lad and not even half way yet. It’s 9+ so more my level; you the expert can spend your time researching remoaners to hate, or whatever it is now

Enjoy 👍🏻

Why jump in, then disappear when you can't answer ?

No research is actually needed for the views by remainers, all crystal clear from day one by that side.

Enjoy the Lego building, rather you than me.

[Spider]

40 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Indeed. 

17 million fuck off to um. 

 

Oh Paul

Oh deary deary deary deary me.

You were doing ok. Patronising for sure, but generally putting your case forward passionately if rather vague in terms of anything specific.

Then this???

If this was a debating chamber like any other, you’d be laughed out of it and still be hearing it ringing in your ears a week later.

@miamiwhite - what’s the absolute opposite of a BOOM?

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Oh Paul

Oh deary deary deary deary me.

You were doing ok. Patronising for sure, but generally putting your case forward passionately if rather vague in terms of anything specific.

Then this???

If this was a debating chamber like any other, you’d be laughed out of it and still be hearing it ringing in your ears a week later.

@miamiwhite - what’s the absolute opposite of a BOOM?

Opposite of a BOOOM ?

A post by Farrelli 😃 

[jules_darby]

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Why jump in, then disappear when you can't answer ?

No research is actually needed for the views by remainers, all crystal clear from day one by that side.

Enjoy the Lego building, rather you than me.

I can’t even fathom what the question is 🤣

[miamiwhite]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Isn't she just using precisely the same tactics that the leave campaign (very successfully) used?

Nice subtle ploy by the lefty calling us bigots 😉 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

I can’t even fathom what the question is 🤣

It was actually re the SNP patriotism etc and us being called racist, though it doesn't need researching, it's just second nature from some.

Piss off to Legoland now and help your son 😄