Politics

[paulhanley]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

Because?

Because ....... like all the other nation states in the world outside of the EU we have full control of our own laws, waters, trade, agriculture, borders. It's what we voted for. The four and a half years of remain attempts to undermine it makes the moment even sweeter. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Because?

We’ve left the EU

[Tombwfc]

"intermittent appearance of chaos"

You can say that again.

[Tombwfc]

20 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Because ....... like all the other nation states in the world outside of the EU we have full control of our own laws, waters, trade, agriculture, borders. It's what we voted for. The four and a half years of remain attempts to undermine it makes the moment even sweeter. 

 

Surely by the new bastardised definition of 'sovereign', the new agreements on fishing and the level playing field mean we don't have full control?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Surely by the new bastardised definition of 'sovereign', the new agreements on fishing and the level playing field mean we don't have full control?

Got one, taken a while, but its happened. 

 

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Surely by the new bastardised definition of 'sovereign', the new agreements on fishing and the level playing field mean we don't have full control?

No

We have, as a sovereign nation, negotiated with another entity, and, (hopefully), in our best interests, made a trade.

[miamiwhite]

Old but gold 

 

 

[paulhanley]

More to consider for remainers who point-blank refuse to understand the way the world has changed over the last two decades and the way it leaves the EU behind (today's Telegraph). 

 

Britain’s economy will outperform European rivals such as France over the next 15 years, according to morale-boosting forecasts published in the wake of the Government's Brexit trade deal with Brussels.

A new ranking shows the UK remaining the world’s 5th biggest economy next year. From 2025 it slips one place, but still performs better than many peer western economies.

The UK’s economy will be 23pc larger than that of France by 2035, the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) predicts.

Historically, French output was higher than the UK’s for much of the postwar period, until the situation was reversed in recent decades.

“The UK economy continues to be one of the better performers in Europe despite Brexit,” a spokesperson for the CEBR said. 

“It is forecast to be overtaken only by India during the period to 2035.”

After four and a half years of political uncertainty surrounding trade conditions around Brexit, which many economists blame for weak business investment and tepid GDP growth, the Government sealed a trade agreement on Christmas Eve. The deal was described as a “huge relief” by Britain’s biggest business group.

The CBI added: “The UK has a bright future outside the EU and with a deal secured we can begin our new chapter on firmer ground.” 

The Institute of Directors said the  deal “can draw a line under what has been a tumultuous few years”.

The UK’s burgeoning technology sector is one factor supporting the country’s growth. The CEBR sees tech-based jobs rising from 10pc of total British employment in 2010 to 18pc in 2025.

The CEBR’s ranking also reflects Europe’s declining economic importance across the world, with growth in Asia continuing to surge.

“While European countries accounted for 19pc of output in the top 10 of the World Economic League Table ranking of 2020, the share will fall to just 12pc by 2035,” the report said.

Douglas McWilliams, CEBR deputy chairman, said: “The big news in this forecast is the speed of growth of the Chinese economy. We expect it to overtake the US five years earlier than we did a year ago. Other Asian economies are also shooting up the league table.” 

Mr McWilliams added: “One lesson for Western policymakers, who have performed relatively badly during the pandemic, is that they need to pay much more attention to what is happening in Asia rather than simply looking at each other.”

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by paulhanley

[jules_darby]

25 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

More to consider for remainers who point-blank refuse to understand the way the world has changed over the last two decades and the way it leaves the EU behind (today's Telegraph). 

 

Britain’s economy will outperform European rivals such as France over the next 15 years, according to morale-boosting forecasts published in the wake of the Government's Brexit trade deal with Brussels.

A new ranking shows the UK remaining the world’s 5th biggest economy next year. From 2025 it slips one place, but still performs better than many peer western economies.

The UK’s economy will be 23pc larger than that of France by 2035, the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) predicts.

Historically, French output was higher than the UK’s for much of the postwar period, until the situation was reversed in recent decades.

“The UK economy continues to be one of the better performers in Europe despite Brexit,” a spokesperson for the CEBR said. 

“It is forecast to be overtaken only by India during the period to 2035.”

After four and a half years of political uncertainty surrounding trade conditions around Brexit, which many economists blame for weak business investment and tepid GDP growth, the Government sealed a trade agreement on Christmas Eve. The deal was described as a “huge relief” by Britain’s biggest business group.

The CBI added: “The UK has a bright future outside the EU and with a deal secured we can begin our new chapter on firmer ground.” 

The Institute of Directors said the  deal “can draw a line under what has been a tumultuous few years”.

The UK’s burgeoning technology sector is one factor supporting the country’s growth. The CEBR sees tech-based jobs rising from 10pc of total British employment in 2010 to 18pc in 2025.

The CEBR’s ranking also reflects Europe’s declining economic importance across the world, with growth in Asia continuing to surge.

“While European countries accounted for 19pc of output in the top 10 of the World Economic League Table ranking of 2020, the share will fall to just 12pc by 2035,” the report said.

Douglas McWilliams, CEBR deputy chairman, said: “The big news in this forecast is the speed of growth of the Chinese economy. We expect it to overtake the US five years earlier than we did a year ago. Other Asian economies are also shooting up the league table.” 

Mr McWilliams added: “One lesson for Western policymakers, who have performed relatively badly during the pandemic, is that they need to pay much more attention to what is happening in Asia rather than simply looking at each other.”

 

More jingoistic hubris 

Isomer care about rankings, I have one concern; will we better off for it?

If so, jolly good. If not there’s no point being better than other nations as it’s irrelevant 

Unless you’re just a tub-thumper of course

lets just see shall we; 🤞🏽🤞🏽 We aren’t the predicted 4% worse off

[Spider]

Can someone show Paul how to post links rather than me having to scroll past several acres of pensioner font-sized text?

[paulhanley]

24 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

More jingoistic hubris 

Isomer care about rankings, I have one concern; will we better off for it?

If so, jolly good. If not there’s no point being better than other nations as it’s irrelevant 

Unless you’re just a tub-thumper of course

lets just see shall we; 🤞🏽🤞🏽 We aren’t the predicted 4% worse off

That's not an opinion column. 

Why is that the minute anybody British talks in terms of a bright future for the nation that it is "jingoistic" and "hubris"? It's utterly infantile.

[jules_darby]

4 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

That's not an opinion column. 

Why is that the minute anybody British talks in terms of a bright future for the nation that it is "jingoistic" and "hubris"? It's utterly infantile.

The jingoistic hubris is at outperforming others not at a bright future for us

frankly that’s infantile 

If the 4% worse off for Brexit is true then we’d have outperformed them more. You do get that right?

Edited December 26, 2020 by jules_darby

[paulhanley]

34 minutes ago, Spider said:

Can someone show Paul how to post links rather than me having to scroll past several acres of pensioner font-sized text?

Can someone tell Spider that The Telegraph is behind a paywall and unless you subscribe a link isn't much use?

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Can someone tell Spider that The Telegraph is behind a paywall and unless you subscribe a link isn't much use?

@Spider

[jules_darby]

29 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Can someone tell Spider that The Telegraph is behind a paywall and unless you subscribe a link isn't much use?

Can someone tell Paul Hanley that quoting the pro-Tory & anti-European, mouthpiece of Boris, Telegraph on politics, is like asking Rudy if he likes tits 

[Zico]

46 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Can someone tell Spider that The Telegraph is behind a paywall and unless you subscribe a link isn't much use?

Copy and paste into notepad, then copy and paste that into a post 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

Can someone tell Paul Hanley that quoting the pro-Tory & anti-European, mouthpiece of Boris, Telegraph on politics, is like asking Rudy if he likes tits 

it isn't anti-european, though

[jules_darby]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

it isn't anti-european, though

It’s the most anti EU mainstream print 

is that better?

[Guest]

Just now, jules_darby said:

It’s the most anti EU mainstream print 

is that better?

Spot on, 😁

Edited December 26, 2020 by boltondiver

[jules_darby]

7 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Spot on, 😁

Boxing Day pedantry! Stick some jazz on and open a lovely bottle of Fleurie you daft fucker 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Boxing Day pedantry! Stick some jazz on and open a lovely bottle of Fleurie you daft fucker 😁

Gonna need several after today's game.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Gonna need several after today's game.

See!

 

[paulhanley]

1 hour ago, Mr Grey said:

I will thank Paul and the Telegraph, I'm all for a bit of positivity 😊

Remainers aren't. They are very upset and irritable. 

I thought some positivity from the Telegraph may console them. They don't seem open to being consoled though. Who'd have thought it.

[paulhanley]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Because they are still banging on a out being in the SM & CU, pricks like Adonis and Campbell, democracy is beyond these idiots, but it's great seeing them squirm, although thought all this might be over with now, unfortunately they seem intent in carrying it on. 

Democracy is beyond them. But the real story is that they have been wrong about everything, right the way from Project Fear though to Christmas Eve 2020. A catalogue of solemnly delivered warnings, proved wrong one by one. If Adonis, (Lord Haw Haw) Campbell, Swinson, Soubry, Hammond, say it - bank on the opposite coming to pass. Yet still they have the affrontery to get the remoaning soapbox out and pontificate as if they still have credibility. 

Any of our familiar remoaners on here care to tell us who they think will win the Welsh National tomorrow? We can thus eliminate them from consideration and look only at the remaining runners. 

What a rabble.

[Ani]

27 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Remainers aren't. They are very upset and irritable. 

I thought some positivity from the Telegraph may console them. They don't seem open to being consoled though. Who'd have thought it.

Paul - The Telegraph is hardly neutral on the subject. Expecting opponents of Leaving to jump in the air cheering is like telling your birds ex boyfriend they can sniff your fingers for old times sake so you know she is happy. 
 

The general consensus from economists before Brexit was that there would be a negative impact on the economy in the short/medium/long term (depending on their personal slant). How they knew that without knowing what a deal might look like is questionable. 
 

So far there has not been a massive amount of negative comment on the deal other than fishermen and seed potato growers which I am sure we can all live with. Although the devil is in the detail the fact we have a workable trade deal is a step in the right direction. The fact that the only other negative comment on the deal is Farage saying not gone far enough. Makes me think the balance could be about right. 
 

The deal is done and we now have to play our cards the best we can in this new world. The reality is that the success or otherwise of the country will rest on a whole range of factors and on a purely economic basis we will never know in our life times if we are ‘winners’ out of this.