2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Is that what you think? That I'm "grieving"? What a weird thing to project onto someone because they disagree with you.

Disagree with me about what?
 

As I see it the deal has now been all but done. The success of said deal will become clear over the coming years abs then we can judge the success. But as always it will be subjective. 

therefore the merits of leave/remain and the subsequent disagreements are sort of redundant now it’s done. So there isn’t much to disagree about. Unless you want to get into the micro details of the legal agreement? If that’s the case let’s take that bit offline 

22 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I will shed zero tears, as I have nothing to come to terms with. Nor do I feel "defeated". Far from it. 

You may/not be able to fool yourself, but nobody on here, mate.

Like a fucking children's playground this.

"I know you are, you said you are, so what am I?"

33 minutes ago, Cheese said:

And that's all that matters. The ERG are happy with it, so everyone else should shut the fuck up.

Well discussed.

You know, like when you put links to a remain centric lawyer, with a few half baked comments and tweets.

Then moan that no one discusses them?

No fucking wonder.

Anyway, with the erg on board, its a done deal. Might even see one or two labour mps put their remain cloaks back on and defy their leader.

1 minute ago, DazBob said:

Like a fucking children's playground this.

"I know you are, you said you are, so what am I?"

Shut up or I'll set my brother on you.

This thread has probably run its course

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

This thread has probably run its course

Quite.

Leave it for a few hours and there are pages and pages of weird arguments and folk getting shirty.

Also, Miami has lost his mojo, he is getting pwned left, right and centre these days. 😘

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Also, Miami has lost his mojo, he is getting pwned left, right and centre these days. 😘

Spider has him beat every time these days

💣

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

They're not promises. Fuelled cars have been banned from a given date. That's an act pure and simple.

As is the continuing expansion of offshore wind.

Greenpeace will always say its not enough: and perhaps they're correct. However such criticism is easy, when you're not charged with balancing economy. 

There have been a number of criticism that Britain's not doing enough, however I choose to see what is happening in reality and look at how that compares with what's gone on before.

A positive wind of change, and that is illustrated by the new bunch of younger mps recently elected, who clearly have more of a grasp of the issues and are clearly helping to drive policy.

I'm quite convinced that this next generation of parliamentarians, irrespective of party, are more than happy to push for change, whilst taking industry with them.

Rather than mocking me for listening to them, perhaps watch yourself (they don't occur on Friday nights). Posting the odd link from an environmental campaign group doesn't show the full picture nor the direction of travel.

 

I'd had a beer and whisky last night. Was feeling sick of lockdown and negative about a lot of things. Been out in the snow all day today which has sorted me right out. 

No shame in watching these debates, wasn't meaning to give that impression by taking the piss. I listen to far too much of what's coming out when it comes to environmental policies. It has become an obsession in recent years.

We need more, far more that what has been offered. I don't think it will, but if the economy has to take a hit for 5 years then we have to let that happen. Or else the way of life and progress we have all gotten used to will soon be a thing of the past. 

Yes it is Greenpeace, but they haven't really said what is or isn't enough. They have just pointed to a long list of broken deadlines and promises. Which have been broken by both parties in the last 20 years. You're right though - this lot have offered more than anyone else has. I would love to believe them and feel more positive as you do. 

 

8 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Quite.

Leave it for a few hours and there are pages and pages of weird arguments and folk getting shirty.

Also, Miami has lost his mojo, he is getting pwned left, right and centre these days. 😘

That comment alone has added 3 pages to this thread. 

29 minutes ago, Spider said:

This thread has probably run its course

I wonder when it will all end ….

16 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I should have got further down the thread before the whimsical post above.

As always on WWays, the vast majority are sound when push comes to shove so thank you to all the well wishers. My old man was a bit of a character as a few on here know, one on here has told me how much he enjoyed my old mans radio segments with Jeremy Vine.

The most frustrating thing is Covid 19 preventing funeral attendance. Streamed service just isn't the same. Hopefully crawshawbooth can give (or already has) his father a fitting send off.

Cheers all.

 

Streamed service must be a strange one. 

Hope you can get together next year for a proper memorial. 

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I wonder when it will all end ….

When folks stop posting;  it'll just die a natural death

13 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

When folks stop posting;  it'll just die a natural death

Covid!

Be reet in a couple of years when we're all too busy.

 

36 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Spider has him beat every time these days

💣

Spider couldn't beat an egg 😆 

1 hour ago, DazBob said:

Like a fucking children's playground this.

"I know you are, you said you are, so what am I?"

Bolton till I die 

Anyone interested in the Scottish independence debacle then this is a good read. Obviously it fits with my thinking so I’m going to say it’s good but worth a read if you’ve a spare 2 mins and can be remotely arsed 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shrewd-calculation-behind-sturgeon-s-brexit-u-turn/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Genuinely had enough of it

The point of being on here isn’t to be put on ignore by blokes like Bolty who I actually have no problem with whatsoever.

We’re not all suddenly going to agree, but the fact is that as of Friday we have a new situation to deal with, right or wrong.

I read back a few pages and we’ve all turned into massive bummers. Me as much as anyone and I’m not all that keen on the look of it.

Leave you to it you shower of corn chompers 

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Anyone interested in the Scottish independence debacle then this is a good read. Obviously it fits with my thinking so I’m going to say it’s good but worth a read if you’ve a spare 2 mins and can be remotely arsed 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shrewd-calculation-behind-sturgeon-s-brexit-u-turn/amp?__twitter_impression=true

National Socialists

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Genuinely had enough of it

The point of being on here isn’t to be put on ignore by blokes like Bolty who I actually have no problem with whatsoever.

We’re not all suddenly going to agree, but the fact is that as of Friday we have a new situation to deal with, right or wrong.

I read back a few pages and we’ve all turned into massive bummers. Me as much as anyone and I’m not all that keen on the look of it.

Leave you to it you shower of corn chompers 

Soft lad.

10 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Anyone interested in the Scottish independence debacle then this is a good read. Obviously it fits with my thinking so I’m going to say it’s good but worth a read if you’ve a spare 2 mins and can be remotely arsed 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shrewd-calculation-behind-sturgeon-s-brexit-u-turn/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Interesting read, in my opinion the SNP time is now and if they can’t somehow manoeuvre the situation in their favour to get a referendum I think it’ll become more and more difficult to achieve their one and only goal of independence.... and then to give it away again. 

Edited December 29, 20205 yr by Mounts Kipper

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

National Socialists

Some will never get it.

Welcome to reality as a 3rd Country.

 

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Interesting read, in my opinion the SNP time is now and if they can’t somehow manoeuvre the situation in their favour to get a referendum I think it’ll become more and more difficult to achieve their one and only goal of independence. 

The scene is set and if she succeeds in getting the go ahead for the referendum to take place then sadly she will Succeed. Everything with brexit etc just sets it up for her. It will be over 55% in favor of independence IMO.  
 

the problem Tories face is that if they reject it then it just seals the fate even more, an easy win for the SNP.
 

at some point, possibly in 4 years time, labour may well need the SNP to form a coalition to get into power and labour will not miss that chance. But by doing so they are signing the death warrant of of the union.