Politics

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

FEMI the EU stooge, Fuck off

And there we go. No argument.

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Spot on

You are so very predictable.

[London Wanderer]

Brexit is old news. Time to move forward. 

But Boris's lies won't be old news. Hard to argue with much in that video because all he's done is point to the absolute shite that comes out of the buffoon's mouth. He says one thing and does another, always has. 

I was up for giving him a chance last Christmas. Then he fucked off five Cobra meetings at the start of global pandemic. The rest is history. 

[Escobarp]

Said he would , as PM , negotiate and get a free trade deal. He did. 

[Escobarp]

What about all those who claimed it wasn’t possible? Wouldn’t happen? Couldn’t happen? 
 

but it is old news now. It’s done. We’ve more important battles ahead than what Boris has said it hasn’t 

[Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

What about all those who claimed it wasn’t possible? Wouldn’t happen? Couldn’t happen? 
 

but it is old news now. It’s done. We’ve more important battles ahead than what Boris has said it hasn’t 

You do realise we have left the Single Market and the Customs Union, don't you? And that we don't have a "Free Trade Deal"?

Edited December 28, 2020 by Cheese

[Escobarp]

Really? Shit. Thank you ever so much 

[Boby Brno]

59 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Regardless of what you think of the bloke, he's telling nothing but the truth in this video. The usual suspects will be along to shout "FEMI!", but they can't argue with anything he says.

 

Femi😅

Anyway, who said this?

We don't all have to resort to novicely copying and pasting entire articles from our newspaper of choice because we can't form our own arguments. Some of us can actually discuss things.
 

 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

Femi😅

Anyway, who said this?

We don't all have to resort to novicely copying and pasting entire articles from our newspaper of choice because we can't form our own arguments. Some of us can actually discuss things.

Did I copy and paste an entire opinion piece? The video I posted contains actual evidence of Boris contradicting himself. It is literally there for you to see. It's not a somoene's opinion. We can discuss it if you want.

Edited December 28, 2020 by Cheese

[Boby Brno]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Did I copy and paste an entire opinion piece? The video I posted contains actual evidence of Boris contradicting himself. It is literally there for you to see. It's not a somoene's opinion. We can discuss it if you want.

I’d rather discuss quantum physics with  my sisters dog than discuss anything with you. I’m a remainer. I believed in a United Europe with all the advantages that brought whilst acknowledging its faults.You could have chosen hundreds of reputable Europhiles to quote and you quoted Femi.😅😅😅

 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

I’d rather discuss quantum physics with  my sisters dog than discuss anything with you. I’m a remainer. I believed in a United Europe with all the advantages that brought whilst acknowledging its faults.You could have chosen hundreds of reputable Europhiles to quote and you quoted Femi.😅😅😅

 

Of course. Ignoring the fact that you have no argument against the video I posted, can you recommend any of these hundreds of "reputable Europhiles" you listen to?

Edited December 28, 2020 by Cheese

[Cheese]

Notice how nobody has a single argument. 

[London Wanderer]

35 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

What about all those who claimed it wasn’t possible? Wouldn’t happen? Couldn’t happen? 
 

but it is old news now. It’s done. We’ve more important battles ahead than what Boris has said it hasn’t 

What about them? Can't I talk about one thing without having to condemn the other side? 

People on both sides have said a lot of shite. I've never believed the fearmongering and always thought we would be reet in the end. Clearly it had the opposite effect anyway. This was always about much more than the economy.  

You're right - we do have more important battles ahead. Unfortunately, Boris's lies will be at the forefront of those battles. Because he will say one thing to please some people and do the opposite. Whether that be climate change policy, levelling up or our relationship with the EU. Should be an interesting few years. 

[Escobarp]

[Escobarp]

Just leave that there. Where is femi’s video on krankie?

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

What about them? Can't I talk about one thing without having to condemn the other side? 

People on both sides have said a lot of shite. I've never believed the fearmongering and always thought we would be reet in the end. Clearly it had the opposite effect anyway. This was always about much more than the economy.  

You're right - we do have more important battles ahead. Unfortunately, Boris's lies will be at the forefront of those battles. Because he will say one thing to please some people and do the opposite. Whether that be climate change policy, levelling up or our relationship with the EU. Should be an interesting few years. 

You can talk about whatever you wish exactly the same as I can. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

What about them? Can't I talk about one thing without having to condemn the other side? 

People on both sides have said a lot of shite. I've never believed the fearmongering and always thought we would be reet in the end. Clearly it had the opposite effect anyway. This was always about much more than the economy.  

You're right - we do have more important battles ahead. Unfortunately, Boris's lies will be at the forefront of those battles. Because he will say one thing to please some people and do the opposite. Whether that be climate change policy, levelling up or our relationship with the EU. Should be an interesting few years. 

Yawn.

Arguably more environmental commitments been made in the last 12 months, than ever before.

Twice brought forward bans on fuelled cars.

Environmental payments to farmers now out of the EU. 

Huge grants towards green heating, and electric vehicles.

Few off the top of my head.

Perhaps join in the viewing of climate debates in the HOC, or read government documents- reality is very different.

[London Wanderer]

24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yawn.

Arguably more environmental commitments been made in the last 12 months, than ever before.

Twice brought forward bans on fuelled cars.

Environmental payments to farmers now out of the EU. 

Huge grants towards green heating, and electric vehicles.

Few off the top of my head.

Perhaps join in the viewing of climate debates in the HOC, or read government documents- reality is very different.

Would love a Friday night at your place watching HOC debates. Beers are on me 🍻 

I've paid plenty of attention to what's coming out of HOC and the government on this. It's far short of the green revolution that we need across all sectors. 

Course more committments have been made. It's a climate emergency. They're mostly promises and targets though mate. Which brings me to this - https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/11/12/environmental-targets-2020-uk/

An excellent piece of journalism highlighting all the government promises and climate targets that have failed to materialise. You may think that this latest set of promises is different, fair enough. I disagree. Even coming to the opinion that these decisions aren't safe in the hand of politicians with short term goals. 

There was pros and cons of being in the EU in regards to the environment. Only time will tell if things improve or not. Regardless, we're getting side tracked. My point was that Boris is a buffoon full to the brim with shite. Sorry if that point bores you. 

Edited December 28, 2020 by London Wanderer

[bolty58]

On 28/12/2020 at 06:03, Mr Grey said:

Aye cheaper Vodka, and 2 litre Lada Turbos, although I ain't keen on the Vodka, but got a bottle left in the freezer from the last time my mate went to Moscow, smooth as fuck, it's better straight.

If they are doing a good trade on that, all for it 🤓

Lada was Russian wasnt it ?

I learned a lot from a brilliant White Russian engineer called Alexei Belonojkin (RIP). The most brilliant gear engineer I ever met. A Harbin University graduate.

Anyway, his idea of a night watching the footy (or volleyball too in his case) was straight vodka out of the freezer whilst nibbling pickled walnuts. Would argue with anyone that the best vodka in the world is actually Polish. Wyborowa brand.

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Was grim reading that comment earlier. Stooping to new levels. Thought we'd be seeing an apology on here the morning after. 

Sorry to hear about your Dads @bolty58& @crawshawbooth Take it easy. 

I should have got further down the thread before the whimsical post above.

As always on WWays, the vast majority are sound when push comes to shove so thank you to all the well wishers. My old man was a bit of a character as a few on here know, one on here has told me how much he enjoyed my old mans radio segments with Jeremy Vine.

The most frustrating thing is Covid 19 preventing funeral attendance. Streamed service just isn't the same. Hopefully crawshawbooth can give (or already has) his father a fitting send off.

Cheers all.

 

[Youri McAnespie]

9 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

...Environmental payments to farmers now out of the EU. 

Huge grants towards green heating, and electric vehicles.

Few off the top of my head.

Perhaps join in the viewing of climate debates in the HOC, or read government documents- reality is very different.

 He was good in Paddington 2 and A Very British Scandal.

Edited December 29, 2020 by Youri McAnespie

[paulhanley]

A very interesting piece from Matthew Lynn of the Telegraph. All about the future, the opportunities and the inevitable decline of the EU

The UK must keep shifting away from continental Europe

After four long and exhausting years, it is finally done. The UK has a trade deal with the European Union that avoids tariffs and quotas. It is one of the biggest and most significant economic partnerships struck anywhere in the world, covering trade worth more than £600bn a year. Usually when an agreement like that is struck, the two sides would be looking to increase trade, deepen ties and figure out how to maximise the opportunities that will suddenly be available. 

This one is different. Significant though it is, the UK needs to keep on shifting away from continental Europe and developing its links with the rest of the world instead. 

Why? Because the EU will still have the power to impose punitive remedies on us; because its market will be grossly rigged against our companies; because other trade blocs are growing in importance; and because the EU’s relative decline will only accelerate over the next decade. Even with this deal, trade with the EU will matter less and less to Britain’s prosperity. 

 

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In the end, the fish didn’t get in the way. The level playing field was resolved, dynamic alignment, if anyone could figure out what that meant, didn’t turn out to matter very much, and Northern Ireland wasn’t the insoluble problem that many self-appointed experts said it would be.

We heard a lot over the last few years about how it would be impossible for the UK to do a deal with the EU on anything other than the most humiliating terms. With the clock a few minutes from midnight, however, it turned out that two sovereign entities that had been in complete regulatory alignment for 50 years managed to agree that they could carry on trading on roughly the same terms as before (surprise, surprise).

The deal might not be perfect and as the lawyers start to argue about the meaning of every sentence of its 1,200 pages, some flaws are bound to emerge.

Even so, the UK is out of the EU, the customs union and the single market, and yet its businesses can still sell their goods across the Continent even if they sometimes need to fill in a few forms. That will be a relief, both for companies and consumers.

And yet even with a deal in place, the UK needs to remain focused on reducing its trade with the rest of Europe. Here’s why. 

First, the EU will maintain the power to impose punitive remedies against the UK. If we want to increase the amount of fish we catch, or help specific industries in ways that Brussels disapproves of, or change our labour or competition laws, then it can hit us with tariffs. 

It can’t stop us anymore, which is great, but it can make it harder for us, which is not so great. But the less we trade with the EU, the less sway Brussels will have over us – and at a certain point, the threats won’t matter anymore. 

Next, policy will be biased against the UK. The EU talks a lot about “level playing fields”, but funnily enough doesn’t apply those rules to itself. We are already seeing decisions that actively discriminate against British companies. Germany, France and the Netherlands are massively subsidising their airlines.

The Italians are subsidising their banks and fintech challengers. The Coronavirus Recovery Fund will be targeted at creating green energy that will be dumped on the world market, and especially the UK, at below cost. 

The rules will be designed to work against British companies and in favour of EU ones – and it will make more sense for UK companies to grow in markets where they are treated fairly. 

Third, there are more important trade blocs. The EU makes a lot of the single market being the biggest in the world. But that is less and less true. Asia’s newly launched Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership covers 15 countries that between them account for 30pc of global GDP, a proportion that is growing all the time.

Africa’s Continental Free Trade Area will be launched in 2021, and that covers 1.2bn people (three times as many as the EU). Add in South America’s Mercosur (another 300m people) and the EU is just one of several trade blocs, and far from the largest. British companies should focus more on those regions; that’s where the money is. 

Finally, the EU’s economy will decline. It is already clear that without the free-market British, the EU is turning more protectionist, more statist and more inward looking. We can see that in takeover rules, technology regulation, harmonised taxes and a renewed drive to create national champions. 

If anyone seriously thinks the problem in Europe has been that the state is too small and doesn’t intervene enough in the economy, good luck to them. The reality is that subsidies will be squandered, tech start-ups crushed and protected companies will grow lazy and inefficient. 

Meanwhile, the euro remains the most dysfunctional currency ever, seemingly created to make the gold standard look good by comparison. The result? Just about every other region in the world will grow faster. 

The UK’s businesses should focus their energy elsewhere – and so should government support.

In truth, that is already happening. A survey of export transactions by Lloyds Bank and Aston Business School earlier this month found British companies, and especially small companies, had already shifted £50bn of exports away from the EU and towards the rest of the world, primarily the BRICs, Sub-Saharan Africa and the Commonwealth.

For 20 years, the UK’s trade with the Americas, Asia and Africa has been growing faster than with the EU. Those regions have far better growth prospects, our trade is more often in balance or even a surplus, and we are not likely to face any “punishment” for being too successful. 

The trade deal minimises disruption on both sides of the Channel, which is welcome, but the economic divide will rightly keep on growing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Youri McAnespie]

I wish people would stop using The Telegraph as an impartial source.

It's tantamount to Rudy using quotes and images from 'Big Juggs Monthly' to back up his manifesto, or me using The Morning Star.

There was even a bloated opinion piece from professional windbag Lord Edgelord 'Sir' Charles Moore t'other week.

For the unitiated read up his Wikipedia entry - it's like Lord Snooty, David Icke and Katie Hopkins had an unprotected threeway and he was the product of this unholy union, he's a loon.

Keep the Red Flag flying.

Pass the Sancerre etc.

[Boby Brno]

18 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

I wish people would stop using The Telegraph as an impartial source.

It's tantamount to Rudy using quotes and images from 'Big Juggs Monthly' to back up his manifesto, or me using The Morning Star.

There was even a bloated opinion piece from professional windbag Lord Edgelord 'Sir' Charles Moore t'other week.

For the unitiated read up his Wikipedia entry - it's like Lord Snooty, David Icke and Katie Hopkins had an unprotected threeway and he was the product of this unholy union, he's a loon.

Keep the Red Flag flying.

Pass the Sancerre etc.

Thought of the day. Ignore the Telegraph but read Wikipedia.

Thanks Youri.😊

[Spider]

The article is telling me how to run my business like it has the first fucking clue.

Typical of the Telegraph and its readers who are probably into or about to be into their pensions. Or people who work in garden centres and the only exporting they’ve ever done is taking a box of PG Tips on their holiday to a Spanish 3 star.

I’d keep shit like that behind a firewall too. Not because of money, just embarrassment 

Edited December 29, 2020 by Spider