Politics

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Im happy for our government to share info with our friends. 

So I assume you're not happy that we've withdrawn from Europol?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Seems access to Europe was only possible by acceptance of EU data sharing rules and ECJ jurisdiction. 

UK wanted to have access and to contribute to it.

EU cutting its nose off to spite it's face.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Anyone interested in the Scottish independence debacle then this is a good read. Obviously it fits with my thinking so I’m going to say it’s good but worth a read if you’ve a spare 2 mins and can be remotely arsed 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shrewd-calculation-behind-sturgeon-s-brexit-u-turn/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Good read that. The first line made me chuckle. - "As political journeys go, it’s akin to Jeremy Corbyn quitting his allotment to grow marrows on an Israeli settlement".

It's complex the whole independence thing and with the Tories in power then it is more likely. But there's nothing to say it would happen under a different UK government. A significant portion of the YES support comes not from nationalists, but from people who are tired of the direction the Tory party are going. Wasting billions of taxpayers money on your chums during a pandemic, rather than who is best for the job, isn't helping either. Shit like that is driving up the YES campaign, not nationalism. All IMO of course.

We've had plenty of deaths per capita up here as well but at least we've had a leadership that has been honest and open. People clearly still want that from politicians. 

If the indyref was tomorrow, then they would have my vote. And I've no nationalistic attachment to Scotland. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by London Wanderer

[Escobarp]

Everyone is entitled to vote or believe as they see fit. I’m certainly not going to criticize you for your comments mate or your views. I disagree with some of them of course. 
 

my house would be up for sale immediately and south of the border we would head. 
 

economically I cannot see how it would work. There is the key difference though. If I believed something was so bad I wouldn’t sit around and remain there. But then again we are all different I guess. Maybe some people have more Conviction than others 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Everyone is entitled to vote or believe as they see fit. I’m certainly not going to criticize you for your comments mate or your views. I disagree with some of them of course. 
 

my house would be up for sale immediately and south of the border we would head. 
 

economically I cannot see how it would work. There is the key difference though. If I believed something was so bad I wouldn’t sit around and remain there. But then again we are all different I guess. Maybe some people have more Conviction than others 

But you sat around in the EU for 40 years?

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

But you sat around in the EU for 40 years?

And you didn’t fuck off to your beloved EU after the referendum 

 

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But you sat around in the EU for 40 years?

When did I ever say it was economic suicide to stay in the EU? You’re tying yourself up in knots tonight. 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

And you didn’t fuck off to your beloved EU after the referendum 

You didn't fuck off out of the EU that you hated for your entire life, did you?

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Everyone is entitled to vote or believe as they see fit. I’m certainly not going to criticize you for your comments mate or your views. I disagree with some of them of course. 
 

my house would be up for sale immediately and south of the border we would head. 
 

economically I cannot see how it would work. There is the key difference though. If I believed something was so bad I wouldn’t sit around and remain there. But then again we are all different I guess. Maybe some people have more Conviction than others 

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I know for a lot of folk it would mean similar circumstances. Is your missus from up here? 

In regards to my line of work, working up here has been a big improvement on down south. Re the economy, I think it isn't much different to the fearmongering around Brexit. We wouldn't be much worse off and in the long run I can see things getting better with some consistency in government policy. 

It's shit that folk would feel the need to leave though. For that reason, it could be another toxic referendum and close to the heart for a lot of people. Maybe it is best left for the next generation. Under a different government then support might waiver. 

[Mounts Kipper]

31 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So I assume you're not happy that we've withdrawn from Europol?

Not fussed, pretty sure it’ll not stop intelligence being shared. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

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I know for a lot of folk it would mean similar circumstances. Is your missus from up here? 

In regards to my line of work, working up here has been a big improvement on down south. Re the economy, I think it isn't much different to the fearmongering around Brexit. We wouldn't be much worse off and in the long run I can see things getting better with some consistency in government policy. 

It's shit that folk would feel the need to leave though. For that reason, it could be another toxic referendum and close to the heart for a lot of people. Maybe it is best left for the next generation. Under a different government then support might waiver. 

Yeah she’s a jock. But she’s also said she wants to leave if it goes that way which is a huge thing for her. 

[Duck Egg]

Brexit and the current government have shown the union to be on pretty shaky ground. Unimaginable just a few years ago.

Scotland being dragged out of the EU when they voted 62/38 in favour of staying must feel like a real slap in the face.  

Northern Ireland marginally voting against brexit too yet still being part of the EU.  

Welsh nationalism is back on the increase too.  As in Scotland a weak Labour party means Govt opposition are heading to the nationalist parties.

In a generation the UK could be no more, which would be tragic imo.

[Guest]

Just now, Duck Egg said:

Brexit and the current government have shown the union to be on pretty shaky ground. Unimaginable just a few years ago.

Scotland being dragged out of the EU when they voted 62/38 in favour of staying must feel like a real slap in the face.  

Northern Ireland marginally voting against brexit too yet still being part of the EU.  

Welsh nationalism is back on the increase too.  As in Scotland a weak Labour party means Govt opposition are heading to the nationalist parties.

In a generation the UK could be no more, which would be tragic imo.

I agree that it would be very disappointing; I am British first.

But, if that’s what they want, then so be it.

That said, in a union of equals, perhaps we should have an vote too?

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

I agree that it would be very disappointing; I am British first.

But, if that’s what they want, then so be it.

That said, in a union of equals, perhaps we should have an vote too?

A vote for what? 

[London Wanderer]

9 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

 

In a generation the UK could be no more, which would be tragic imo.

Can understand it would be for a lot of people in regards to identity. Up here and south of the border. But our relationship with Ireland is positive. Always had a cracking time over there and Irish folk usually love it here and feel welcome. Football aside, I can't see England and Scotland not being close if it happened. Might even spur the North on a bit as well

Edited December 29, 2020 by London Wanderer

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

A vote for what? 

To see if we want the Scots

[London Wanderer]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Yeah she’s a jock. But she’s also said she wants to leave if it goes that way which is a huge thing for her. 

Fair enough. The last time round must have been tough going at times for you then. And a relief at the end. You can see why it could make sense to leave it for now. 

[Escobarp]

Just now, boltondiver said:

To see if we want the Scots

😁 so we now have votes to throw folk out 

[Escobarp]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Fair enough. The last time round must have been tough going at times for you then. And a relief at the end. You can see why it could make sense to leave it for now. 

I would rather it went away completely. But denying the vote will do the opposite. It’s a no win situation for Boris. To minimize damage grant it I say. 

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

😁 so we now have votes to throw folk out 

Should have that on here. 😀😇

[London Wanderer]

Just now, Escobarp said:

I would rather it went away completely. But denying the vote will do the opposite. It’s a no win situation for Boris. To minimize damage grant it I say. 

Well if you get me mashed up on the rattler to an away day and I warm to ya.... then I'm sure minds can be changed come indyref day. 

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Should have that on here. 😀😇

I wouldn’t want to lose your voice of reason mate so safer not to. If the “ right wing extreme brexit cabal”go for you that’s the end of the road 😁

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Well if you get me mashed up on the rattler to an away day and I warm to ya.... then I'm sure minds can be changed come indyref day. 

We will defo do an away on the train and when in my company you will be suitably mashed I assure you pal 

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

We will defo do an away on the train and when in my company you will be suitably mashed I assure you pal 

Those days can't come soon enough 🍻

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I wouldn’t want to lose your voice of reason mate so safer not to. If the “ right wing extreme brexit cabal”go for you that’s the end of the road 😁

Remember I have a block vote equivalent to 15 cabals. That is how it works. Sorry.