Politics

[Casino]

29 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Plenty of due process in the EU vaccination programme

What are you waffling on about, man

Dido harding....fit for purpose?

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

What are you waffling on about, man

Dido harding....fit for purpose?

Harding is a classic example of cronyism.

She’s also really shit.

 

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’ve already made my mind up

 

Good. 
 

tbf it doesn’t sound as good does it. Government budgets 22bn for test and trace but massively underspends so far it would appear 

 

especially considering it’s NEVER FOUND ANYBODY. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Harding is a classic example of cronyism.

She’s also really shit.

 

Correct on both counts. 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Good. 
 

tbf it doesn’t sound as good does it. Government budgets 22bn for test and trace but massively underspends so far it would appear 

 

especially considering it’s NEVER FOUND ANYBODY. 

Did someone say that it hadn’t found a single person? If so, do you think they meant it literally or were employing a little dramatic license to emphasise that it’s underperformed?

You do have a track record of missing irony. 😁

[Escobarp]

Just now, Spider said:

Did someone say that it hadn’t found a single person? If so, do you think they meant it literally or were employing a little dramatic license to emphasise that it’s underperformed?

You do have a track record of missing irony. 😁

The statement was it “hadn’t found anybody”. How would you interpret that comment? 

[Escobarp]

21 minutes ago, Spider said:

Did someone say that it hadn’t found a single person? If so, do you think they meant it literally or were employing a little dramatic license to emphasise that it’s underperformed?

You do have a track record of missing irony. 😁

And it has underperformed it hasn’t underperformed on a spend  of 35bn or 22bn. Still absolutely shite but let’s at least get some facts into the argument rather than the front page of the sun or one of these kranks on social media 

Edited March 6, 2021 by Escobarp
Meant spend not budget

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

And it has underperformed it hasn’t underperformed on a budget of 35bn or 22bn. Still absolutely shite but let’s at least get some facts into the argument rather than the front page of the sun or one of these kranks on social media 

Or you can read the budget breakdown on the UK Parliament website select Committee section.

https://committees.parliament.uk/work/906/covid19-test-track-and-trace-part-1/

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Or you can read the budget breakdown on the UK Parliament website select Committee section.

https://committees.parliament.uk/work/906/covid19-test-track-and-trace-part-1/

Yep it confirms the budget is 22bn which is what the fact check also states.  
 

you’re missing a critical part of any assessment when dealing with budgets. Actual spend, no? 

[Escobarp]

The “uproar” Is about how much we’ve spent even though it hasn’t been spent. 

[Escobarp]

Just now, Mr Grey said:

That's how I'm reading it, the Government put 22 billion aside for track n trace, but we haven't spent 22 billion.

Anyway, whatever we have spent on it is way to much, same in to late and has been mostly ineffective.

Agreed. Once this is done with (or normality ish resumes as it ain’t going away) then we have a proper full blown inquiry into the lot of it. PPE everything and let’s see what’s been going on with actual facts.
Rather than newspaper headlines prompting frothy mouths and wet undergarments. 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Casino said:

What are you waffling on about, man

Dido harding....fit for purpose?

If you’re having Dido as cronyism, then you must have Kate Bingham.

[Not in Crawley]

46 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Yep it confirms the budget is 22bn which is what the fact check also states.  
 

you’re missing a critical part of any assessment when dealing with budgets. Actual spend, no? 

True, but if you want to find that you can go to the national audit office covid cost tracker https://www.nao.org.uk/covid-19/cost-tracker/

It's all pretty open information.

[kent_white]

54 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

That's how I'm reading it, the Government put 22 billion aside for track n trace, but we haven't spent 22 billion.

Anyway, whatever we have spent on it is way to much, same in to late and has been mostly ineffective.

Maybe it would have been effective if the people organising it had spent the money correctly! 😁

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Maybe it would have been effective if the people organising it had spent the money correctly! 😁

Who organised it?

[kent_white]

14 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Who organised it?

Well it sure as shit wasn't the NHS. No matter what they want to call it.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

If you’re having Dido as cronyism, then you must have Kate Bingham.

Im having dido as shit and appointed by the corrupt tories

Bingham isnt the conversation here

But if you must keep chucking her name in, has she done the best job possible?

Doubt we will ever really know, but seeing as she seemingly had no limits on spend, im sure others couldve done equally as well

 

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Casino said:

Im having dido as shit and appointed by the corrupt tories

Bingham isnt the conversation here

But if you must keep chucking her name in, has she done the best job possible?

Doubt we will ever really know, but seeing as she seemingly had no limits on spend, im sure others couldve done equally as well

 

In your view Dido was shit, so it’s cronyism

Kate Bingham; good (probably), so not cronyism.

Not particularly logical!

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

Not alleged. I think Traf pointed out that it’s official

Not according to Mr Greys link to fact check.

Which also suggests some testing included in the costs.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

27 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Or wisely.

I remember when Cameron became PM, it was all about waste and cutting out unnecessary monies, Governments don't learn.

During this pandemic, especially up front, we were flying by the seat of our pants. Inevitable that some bad financial commitments would be made.

The PPE situation for example: we of course would have been better served if we'd have had more in stock. (There is a separate argument as to how much we spend on having such things available just in case).

As one poster on here who works in the industry explained, ten fold increase in the price of masks, then the alleged crony deals. 

[Casino]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

In your view Dido was shit, so it’s cronyism

Kate Bingham; good (probably), so not cronyism.

Not particularly logical!

Ive not really commented on bingham

Youre the one determined to drag her in to the discussion, seemingly to defend the appointment of the useless harding

I think

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

Ive not really commented on bingham

Youre the one determined to drag her in to the discussion, seemingly to defend the appointment of the useless harding

I think

I’m not trying to defend her

Although I think many don’t really know if she is shit or not, they just go by what the press or social media informs them.

I’m highlighting the hypocrisy of shouting “cronyism” when it suits.

[Winchester White]

Surely cronyism is cronyism regardless? When they then go on to do a bad job then that just makes it worse?

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Surely cronyism is cronyism regardless? When they then go on to do a bad job then that just makes it worse?

Of course, that is what I'm saying.

 

[Spider]

If Kate Bingham is there because of her name and/or friends, then that stinks too.

The weird thing is that politics in general is back to front.

I could, based on our system, get elected into the cabinet and be given the chancellors job with absolutely no experience.

Fucking daft.