Mounts Kipper Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Spider said: Chances are the supporters in that audience were just too scared to show it. Silent majority. Embarrassed because they know it’s a shithouse idea. Cowards. It might help folk make up their minds on sending folk to Rwanda if we’d of actually done it and it helped stop/reduced the flow of migrants entering the UK or dying trying to get here…. You know as a deterrent. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: It might help folk make up their minds on sending folk to Rwanda if we’d of actually done it and it helped stop/reduced the flow of migrants entering the UK or dying trying to get here…. You know as a deterrent. It was never going to be a deterrent as the inital plans was totally flawed - as the high court said yesterday. That's the thing with policies, they have to actually work. As has been said on here, this is political red meat not a coherent strategy, because stopping small boats is difficult and complex. Its also a wway to distract from the economic hardship people are going through. Quote
Ani Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 I do not like the Rwanda plan, it is just a distraction from the real issue. However why is it OK for the United Nations to send refugees there and not the UK ? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: It was never going to be a deterrent as the inital plans was totally flawed - as the high court said yesterday. That's the thing with policies, they have to actually work. As has been said on here, this is political red meat not a coherent strategy, because stopping small boats is difficult and complex. Its also a wway to distract from the economic hardship people are going through. I’m for the government for actually being allowed to govern and enact policy, seems to me this is a clear attempt to stop that process, be better to give this policy 12 months to see if it helps, if it doesn’t help reduce the flow and stop folk dying then the opposition can make hay. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ani said: I do not like the Rwanda plan, it is just a distraction from the real issue. However why is it OK for the United Nations to send refugees there and not the UK ? And Germany want to look at doing the same. Seems to me judges are grandstanding against the Tory government. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m for the government for actually being allowed to govern and enact policy, seems to me this is a clear attempt to stop that process, be better to give this policy 12 months to see if it helps, if it doesn’t help reduce the flow and stop folk dying then the opposition can make hay. But that's not the way the system works - there has to be checks and balances otherwise governments can just do whatever they want. This is the sovereignity people seem argue they were voting for in Brexit. Again, this is why political systems should be taught at school level. Too many people just haven't a clue how our democracy functions. We're a nation of political illiterates. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: But that's not the way the system works - there has to be checks and balances otherwise governments can just do whatever they want. This is the sovereignity people seem argue they were voting for in Brexit. Again, this is why political systems should be taught at school level. Too many people just haven't a clue how our democracy functions. We're a nation of political illiterates. I’m hoping the Supreme Court overrule the decision, that the government are allowed to enact this policy then we can all make a call next election if it worked or not. Edited June 30, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Zico Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 10 hours ago, BobyBrno said: The publicity was running on the pitch at a live televised event. They tried to damage the pitch which would have created more publicity. They didn’t. Hopefully, Bairstow’s actions will encourage others to do the same. Especially the police. I didn't know it happened till you posted the picture That said Now I know Nothing has changed for me Just another protest Quote
Not in Crawley Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’m hoping the Supreme Court overrule the decision, that the government are allowed to enact this policy then we can all make a call next election if it worked or not. Gaaaahhh! That's not how it works. G'vt can't just dashing off policies here and there if they are deemed not to be lawful. Its there to protect us against our goverments if so required. Today's policy, everyone who is over 55 and lives in Bolton to be taken off and made to work in a Gulag. ''Well, I don't agree with it, but we voted them in so I'll just have to wait until the next election to vote them out I guess.'' Quote
Duck Egg Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: To be fair, polling consistently shows the Rwanda policy has the support of close to half the electorate It's pretty telling though that none of the majority Tory voters in the audience, felt they could support or justify the policy. We've got folk admitting their embarrassment at voting for Brexit and some who still believe it was right. This policy makes no sense economically, morally and now legally. Quote
only1swanny Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Because all of the above are better here than most other places in the world. Our racists are a little bit less racist Quote
mickbrown Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, only1swanny said: Why come to Britsin anyway with an intrinsic racist police force, fire service, cricket board etc etc. Because Yanks speak English. Simple as that. Quote
Spider Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: It's pretty telling though that none of the majority Tory voters in the audience, felt they could support or justify the policy. We've got folk admitting their embarrassment at voting for Brexit and some who still believe it was right. This policy makes no sense economically, morally and now legally. They support it They’re just too embarrassed to admit it in public Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: It might help folk make up their minds on sending folk to Rwanda if we’d of actually done it and it helped stop/reduced the flow of migrants entering the UK or dying trying to get here…. You know as a deterrent. Potentially then, that would be unlawful given the latest ruling. A tricky situation, as sooner or later someone will need to grasp the bull by the horns and say to hell with it. For now though, the judicial process will be followed- whoever lost was going to seek leave to appeal to the supreme Court. In the meantime, the new bill(s) will help with the courts, but again it just takes time. Hardly a surprise and nothing was going to change yesterday as further court action was inevitable. We can't simply tow the boats back neither, as we have no jurisdiction in French waters. That said, I wouldn't be averse to simply making an example and doing just that. It would then create a crisis, that would prompt genuine action in Europe. The French are escorting vessels away from their shores once a boat has left land, so we could show a similar level of disregard and see what happens. Edited June 30, 2023 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote
Cheese Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: It might help folk make up their minds on sending folk to Rwanda if we’d of actually done it and it helped stop/reduced the flow of migrants entering the UK or dying trying to get here…. You know as a deterrent. Why would it be a deterrent if Rwanda is such a fair and free country? Quote
Ani Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: And Germany want to look at doing the same. Seems to me judges are grandstanding against the Tory government. Doubt that judges of so many years experience would be 'grandstanding'. Quote
Zico Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: Why would it be a deterrent if Rwanda is such a fair and free country? No white girls to rape in Rwanda Quote
London Wanderer Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Surely the biggest deterrent is ending up in Tunisian fishermen’s net 10 days after drowning. If that’s not working, then the Rwanda plan has got no chance. Quote
mickbrown Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 54 minutes ago, gonzo said: We are Great Britain. We can do what we want. We're actually the United Kingdom. Great Britain is a geographic term for the largest of the British Isles, consisting of Scotland, England and Wales. Here endeth the Geography lesson. 😀 Quote
Sweep Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Ani said: I do not like the Rwanda plan, it is just a distraction from the real issue. However why is it OK for the United Nations to send refugees there and not the UK ? I'm not sure I get that either. What I do wonder, is why the fuckery Rwanda wants other people's refugees?!?! Quote
tomski Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Sweep said: I'm not sure I get that either. What I do wonder, is why the fuckery Rwanda wants other people's refugees?!?! Cos they getting top dollar for it. A more expensive gateway town scheme you may suggest. Quote
Sweep Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, tomski said: Cos they getting top dollar for it. A more expensive gateway town scheme you may suggest. Indeed, and we all know that always turns out well in the long run 🙂 Interestingly, I read earlier that something like 25,000 people per year flee Rwanda each year anyway and claim refugee status elsewhere (mainly DRC, which apparently has about 150,000 of them) so maybe they just want to replace them Quote
London Wanderer Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Depressing that the Tories care more about these kinds of daft policies than climate change. Even China (one of the biggest polluters) appears to be showing us how it’s done. Sooner they’re gone the better. Can’t have a PM in this day & age that doesn’t prioritise it. Edited June 30, 2023 by London Wanderer Quote
tomski Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, Sweep said: Indeed, and we all know that always turns out well in the long run 🙂 Interestingly, I read earlier that something like 25,000 people per year flee Rwanda each year anyway and claim refugee status elsewhere (mainly DRC, which apparently has about 150,000 of them) so maybe they just want to replace them I’ve been trying to get in to DRC for a while. It’s up and coming. Quote
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