Politics

[Winchester White]

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey...

 

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey...

 

Sickening

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Sickening

Haha! The connotation genuinely never crossed my mind.

[Sweep]

14 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey...

 

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Former Conservative leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith has called for the UK to abandon the “ridiculous idea” of rejoining the European Union’s £82billion Horizon Europe science cooperation programme in favour of setting up a UK hub in the sector. A view shared by 89 percent of Express.co.uk readers

 

The Brexiteer told Express.co.uk: “This is just another example of the EU always playing hardball. We have given them everything and they have given nothing in return.”

He explained: “We have a much better scientific research base than the EU and scientists and investors want to come to the UK.

“If we go it alone we could be a scientific superpower on our own without the EU.”

Seems like Iain Duncan Smith isn't too happy about it.

I certainly don't see it as a bad thing "joining forces" on this. Although I'm sure others won't want us to, and will worry that we'll pay more in than we're getting out.

If this does go through, and we do rejoin, it'll be a gateway to freedom of movement coming back, as the next step will be allow those working on or within "Horizon Europe" to be able to cross borders freely, quickly and easily....as well as their goods and services etc

[Winchester White]

An Iain Duncan Smith opinion is like Ann Widdecombe opinion, 90% of the time if you take the opposite view you will be correct.

[Spider]

I’m sure this will be spun as the UK “picking and choosing how we work with the EU”.

 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

He has been dealt with

https://twitter.com/supertanskiii/status/1676556349172334592?s=46

Cracking👍

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Only just?

I’m a man of patience but we all have a breaking point

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I’m sure this will be spun as the UK “picking and choosing how we work with the EU”.

 

And it can of course be seen that way, but if we partner with the EU on this, does that then preclude us from entering similar pacts with other places (US, India etc)?  - I honestly don't know.

Also, do we know if we're getting more out of it than we're putting into it, if we're not, then it does go against what a lot of Brexit was supposed to be about.

The devil will be in the detail, but fingers crossed this will be leading towards a joint "freedom of movement" policy being reintroduced 

Edited July 5, 2023 by Sweep

[Spider]

13 minutes ago, Sweep said:

And it can of course be seen that way, but if we partner with the EU on this, does that then preclude us from entering similar pacts with other places (US, India etc)?  - I honestly don't know.

Also, we know if we're getting more out of it than we're putting into it, if we're not, then it does go against what a lot of Brexit was supposed to be about.

The devil will be in the detail, but fingers crossed this will be leading towards a joint "freedom of movement" policy being reintroduced 

We won, get over it.

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

And it can of course be seen that way, but if we partner with the EU on this, does that then preclude us from entering similar pacts with other places (US, India etc)?  - I honestly don't know.

Also, do we know if we're getting more out of it than we're putting into it, if we're not, then it does go against what a lot of Brexit was supposed to be about.

The devil will be in the detail, but fingers crossed this will be leading towards a joint "freedom of movement" policy being reintroduced 

In 30 years we'll be back in, as our kids row back on the mess their grandparents made.

And we'll have a much worse deal than we had.

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Cracking👍

She's ace

[tomski]

5 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey...

 

They are so transparently obvious that you start to wonder if this was all a game to make their bum boy pals better off betting against it and the economy. It’s so obvious we will go back in. 

[Casino]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

She's ace

She is

Might be sinister?

 

She was definitely not on her game on last weeks QT

[Spider]

We’ll end up with loads of EU ties that will be apparently “on our own terms” which is blatant horseshit.

in the end, it’ll be Brexiteers that’ll be the Bremoaners.

Fortunely, the gammons will be too busy dealing with their ailments and astronomical care home fees to do anything about it.

Mark my words Sonny.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I see the Captain Tom charity's finally getting its comeuppance

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

She is

Might be sinister?

 

She was definitely not on her game on last weeks QT

She can be a bit of a prick at times but i think her hearts in the right place.

[frank_spencer]

Just now, frank_spencer said:

She can be a bit of a prick at times but i think her hearts in the right place.

Tanski not Mahri Black

MB will be missed the country would be better off with more like her.

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Tanski not Mahri Black

MB will be missed the country would be better off with more like her.

Sinister slag

We’ve got too many as it is

[Spider]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I see the Captain Tom charity's finally getting its comeuppance

 

[Mounts Kipper]

7 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey...

 

Good news, so we don’t have to be a member of the EU to be part of horizon… that’s another remainer moan chalked off. 

[Spider]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Good news, so we don’t have to be a member of the EU to be part of horizon… that’s another remainer moan chalked off. 

☺️☺️☺️

bang on cue 

[CambridgeBWFC]

5 hours ago, Sweep said:

And it can of course be seen that way, but if we partner with the EU on this, does that then preclude us from entering similar pacts with other places (US, India etc)?  - I honestly don't know.

Also, do we know if we're getting more out of it than we're putting into it, if we're not, then it does go against what a lot of Brexit was supposed to be about.

The devil will be in the detail, but fingers crossed this will be leading towards a joint "freedom of movement" policy being reintroduced 

We used to get more out than we put in, but Horizon Europe isn't necessarily about that. It is about building strong consortia between academia and industry across Europe for the benefit of scientific research. Not having access to it has been damaging to science in this country, as our academic institutions have been excluded from highly attractive and beneficial partnerships. We can't go it alone on something like this as the attraction lies in the Europe wide network of scientific talent. Also joining this really shouldn't really stop us from partnering with other countries on science investment,  just not many others do schemes like this.

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

We used to get more out than we put in, but Horizon Europe isn't necessarily about that. It is about building strong consortia between academia and industry across Europe for the benefit of scientific research. Not having access to it has been damaging to science in this country, as our academic institutions have been excluded from highly attractive and beneficial partnerships. We can't go it alone on something like this as the attraction lies in the Europe wide network of scientific talent. Also joining this really shouldn't really stop us from partnering with other countries on science investment,  just not many others do schemes like this.

In simple terms

we had access

Then we didn’t which caused a load of headaches that will take a while to shift

Now we have access again.

So, nothings changed except a period where we probably wasted a lot of people’s time for <checks> fuck all benefit?

Edited July 5, 2023 by Spider

[CambridgeBWFC]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

In simple terms

we had access

Then we didn’t which caused a load of headaches that will take a while to shift

Now we have access again.

So, nothings changed except a period where we probably wasted a lot of people’s time for <checks> fuck all benefit?

Well other than during that period access to significant funding wasn't available, some of our researchers will have been excluded from beneficial partnerships/collaborations or have left to maintain access and industry investment has been made in countries other tan the UK to maintain their access. 

It has been more than a headache and weakened us significantly in attracting and retaining scientific talent and investment.  Something which we are genuinely good at.