Politics

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

As far as I can see the threat to labour isn't from the Tories or Reform/Brexit Party/UKIP more from disenfranchised lefties voting Green or Lib Dem.

Apathy will be the biggest threat - folk not voting or think Labour will walk it and going Green or lib dem as they think it won't matter.

[DirtySanchez]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

You don’t want anyone dodgy in Number 10?

Have you been living on the planet Zlargon-B for the last 14 years?

He's in Yorkshire 

Bit harsh on the inhabitants of Zlargon-B to compare the two 

[Whitesince63]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Any worse than the last decade and half?

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

I'd probably read the manifesto. Its been launched today.

Smugling Gangs - all in there, GB Energy - again, its in there. 

But yeah - because it's/he's a bit boring, best to give it a miss, moaning is much more fun.

[mickbrown]

3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

Je ne regrette rien. 

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

He may be boring, but I'd rather that than a stupid cunt like Johnson again. I'll take boring if he does the job well, clearly you'd rather have somebody who can juggle and tell jokes, even if they are incapable of doing the job

Maybe he won't deliver, but he might. You'd much rather we change nothing (which means leaving Sunak in charge) and hope it improves, rather than give somebody else a go?

 

[royal white]

27 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'd probably read the manifesto. Its been launched today.

Smugling Gangs - all in there, GB Energy - again, its in there. 

But yeah - because it's/he's a bit boring, best to give it a miss, moaning is much more fun.

He might not be an oddball. 
 

“As I always say, no one reads manifestos unless they are oddballs”

 

[Ani]

31 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

You earlier post said you hoped it would all gone wrong for Starmer.

You now say there is no credible alternative

I was impressed by Starmer today but that was pretty much a first for me. I would happily consider a credible alternative but as there is not one. 
 

Given you 'sincerely hope' it goes wrong for the only credible option can you just answer who you will vote for or think others should vote for ? 

[BobyBrno]

On 11/06/2024 at 22:31, Not in Crawley said:

As I always say, no one reads manifestos unless they are oddballs.

 

Agreed👍

Remember, it’s not what is in manifestos, it’s what’s not in them.

Labour never mentioned selling the gold or raiding the pension schemes in their previous manifestos. 
 

Edit, Didn’t see RW post, honestly 😊

Edited June 13, 2024 by BobyBrno

[Spider]

49 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

So you agree the last 14 years have been shit then?

Thats a start.

[gonzo]

51 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. How’s he actually going to destroy the people smuggling gangs when they operate mainly overseas where he has no jurisdiction? His GB Energy doesn’t exist and he thinks he’s going to create it from scratch? He’s going to build the turbines here, some hope and the Wealth Fund, where’s that coming from? The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it and why should private enterprise when they can invest independently? Is this some modern version of PPI? It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it. Sadly since there’s no credible alternative he will win but I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

Who has been taken in?!

I'd vote for Peter Sutcliffe if it meant getting this bunch of corrupt bastards out of office.

 

 

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Fair enough - might be round here for all I know, only been here a week. Back in Bromley it was all people on electric scooters on pavements knicking phones etc not dirt bikes

I think you'll be safe from the hoons in Whitstable mate. 

You might have to watch out for mobility scooters though! 😁

[kent_white]

3 hours ago, Sweep said:

you're kidding us on, I can see where you've tried to photoshop out that Penny Farthing, but you've still left the main wheel there for all to see

Fucking hell NiC. Someone has nicked your bike! Remember - always thread the cable through the wheel or thieves will use 'ye olde quick release mechanism'

[Not in Crawley]

19 minutes ago, royal white said:

He might not be an oddball. 
 

 

“As I always say, no one reads manifestos unless they are oddballs”

 

Indeed, poliitcal oddball obsessives - they never have any cut through really, which is why you get MPs just repeating the same line after line after line after line - you have to to make it stick with the general public.

But if you are going to question policies, I'd suggest doing so from a position of knowledge rather just a few soundbites on these TV debates which a really just press junkets where the aim is not to make a mistake rather than delve into deep, detailed policy - which you can't do in the time alloted to answer. They're as in-depth as putting up red or green peppers on Ready, Steady Cook to be honest - its more about personality than policy.

I mean, if I have to listen to 'I came into politics late' again I'm going to tear my own ears off, but then I listen to 4/5 news podcasts a day whilst working, have radio 4 on and BBC news in the background when doing household chores.  Got the manifesto to read tonight {after I put up my Labour stake} before I join my first leafleting session in whitstable town centre on Saturday morning. As I say, that's a bit oddball - its certainly not what most voters will do I wouldn't have thought.

[kent_white]

58 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Much worse I’m afraid. I forced myself to listen to his presentation and just about managed to stay awake but I mean seriously, including Mr No Charisma Sunak, is there really anyone more boring than Starmer? 

He should come on juggling next time

 

59 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Not one explanation of how he’s actually going to deliver on his manifesto promises. 

Jesus - if you thought the launch was boring, can you imagine if he'd started going on about the operational detail behind all the plans? 

 

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

The country doesn’t have the wealth to fund it 

I wonder why that might be? 

 

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

It’s all bollocks, you know it and I know it

I don't know it at all

 

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

I just wonder how long it will take for you and the others who’ve been taken in to realise the mistake you’ve made? You, me and everybody else will regret it.

That's what I think about Brexit.

There - consider yourself multi quoted! 😁

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I think you'll be safe from the hoons in Whitstable mate. 

You might have to watch out for mobility scooters though! 😁

😁 Yeah my next door neighbours on both sides must be 80 odd if they are a day. One came round yesterday, not to say hello but just bellow 'has your electric gone off?' It hadn't but then I felt I had to go and see if it was all ok {she'd just tripped something} 

But we've had a loads of cards and 2 boxes of biscuits to say hello, which is very nice, if a little different from what I'm used to. 

[kent_white]

50 minutes ago, Sweep said:

He may be boring, but I'd rather that than a stupid cunt like Johnson again. I'll take boring if he does the job well, clearly you'd rather have somebody who can juggle and tell jokes, even if they are incapable of doing the job

Maybe he won't deliver, but he might. You'd much rather we change nothing (which means leaving Sunak in charge) and hope it improves, rather than give somebody else a go?

 

If you look at the change he's managed to affect in the Labour Party since the last GE, then maybe he actually can make the kind of significant change the country needs - especially with a decent majority. If someone told me Labour would be in this position from where they were 5 years back - I wouldn't have believed them.

I doubt he'll just sit there and piss about like the Tories have done for the past 15 years. 

He might not get everything right. But I do believe he has the countries best interests at heart. And it's VERY rare I say that about a politician.

[kent_white]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

He might not be an oddball. 
 

 

“As I always say, no one reads manifestos unless they are oddballs”

 

What about if I read the executive summary? 😁

[Whitesince63]

30 minutes ago, Ani said:

You earlier post said you hoped it would all gone wrong for Starmer.

You now say there is no credible alternative

I was impressed by Starmer today but that was pretty much a first for me. I would happily consider a credible alternative but as there is not one. 
 

Given you 'sincerely hope' it goes wrong for the only credible option can you just answer who you will vote for or think others should vote for ? 

I’m a Tory, always have been since I made the mistake of voting for Harold Wilson when I was too young to know and I’ve since made sure I never made that mistake again. Since I now live in South Yorkshire a red hankie could get in so it makes no difference how I vote which makes it easy this time not to bother and not feel guilty about it. I stay a Tory member now so that I can influence who the next Tory leader is when Rishi thankfully goes though to be honest there’s not much to choose from but hopefully most of the real numpties will lose their seats anyway, which is about the only good thing in a Labour victory. I’m afraid we’ve got two awful choices and the only thing I can hope for is that when Starmer does win it’s not by a huge majority though it is likely to be. ☹️

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Whitesince63 said:

I’m a Tory, always have been since I made the mistake of voting for Harold Wilson when I was too young to know and I’ve since made sure I never made that mistake again. Since I now live in South Yorkshire a red hankie could get in so it makes no difference how I vote which makes it easy this time not to bother and not feel guilty about it. I stay a Tory member now so that I can influence who the next Tory leader is when Rishi thankfully goes though to be honest there’s not much to choose from but hopefully most of the real numpties will lose their seats anyway, which is about the only good thing in a Labour victory. I’m afraid we’ve got two awful choices and the only thing I can hope for is that when Starmer does win it’s not by a huge majority though it is likely to be. ☹️

Would you rather this current Tory government won?

Because they’ve proven for 14 years that they’re fucking garbage. You admitted that. Yet you’d still let them carry on.

ill say it again for the simpletons down the back who are busy dribbling and eating crayons - IT IS NOT LIKE PICKING A FOOTBALL TEAM

 

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

He may be boring, but I'd rather that than a stupid cunt like Johnson again. I'll take boring if he does the job well, clearly you'd rather have somebody who can juggle and tell jokes, even if they are incapable of doing the job

Maybe he won't deliver, but he might. You'd much rather we change nothing (which means leaving Sunak in charge) and hope it improves, rather than give somebody else a go?

 

He said today something along the lines of .. I want to be PM of the country not running a circus.  Which seems a decent starting point. 

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I’m a Tory, always have been since I made the mistake of voting for Harold Wilson when I was too young to know and I’ve since made sure I never made that mistake again. Since I now live in South Yorkshire a red hankie could get in so it makes no difference how I vote which makes it easy this time not to bother and not feel guilty about it. I stay a Tory member now so that I can influence who the next Tory leader is when Rishi thankfully goes though to be honest there’s not much to choose from but hopefully most of the real numpties will lose their seats anyway, which is about the only good thing in a Labour victory. I’m afraid we’ve got two awful choices and the only thing I can hope for is that when Starmer does win it’s not by a huge majority though it is likely to be. ☹️

So still not quite understanding why you want it go wrong for the only credible option, but as Tory membership has chosen Rishi, Truss, Boris, and May in your last 4 attempts I suppose selecting leaders is not a strength. 

[Whitesince63]

21 minutes ago, kent_white said:

If you look at the change he's managed to affect in the Labour Party since the last GE, then maybe he actually can make the kind of significant change the country needs - especially with a decent majority. If someone told me Labour would be in this position from where they were 5 years back - I wouldn't have believed them.

I doubt he'll just sit there and piss about like the Tories have done for the past 15 years. 

He might not get everything right. But I do believe he has the countries best interests at heart. And it's VERY rare I say that about a politician.

Kent, I don’t doubt for one minute that he’s got the countries best interests at heart, I’m sure Rishi has too but the fact is I don’t believe either of them are capable of delivering. We know Sunak can’t but wanting Labour in just because the Tory’s have been so shit is a poor state of affairs when deciding who runs the country. If enough people feel that way Labour will win, that’s democracy and like it or not we’ll all have to accept it but I do genuinely fear that the slide will just get bigger. Like it or not it’s a fact that EVERY Labour government in history has left this country poorer than they found it but this time there’s no money to start with so if that doesn’t worry you then nothing will.

[mickbrown]

Just now, Whitesince63 said:

I’m a Tory, always have been since I made the mistake of voting for Harold Wilson when I was too young to know and I’ve since made sure I never made that mistake again. Since I now live in South Yorkshire a red hankie could get in so it makes no difference how I vote which makes it easy this time not to bother and not feel guilty about it. I stay a Tory member now so that I can influence who the next Tory leader is when Rishi thankfully goes though to be honest there’s not much to choose from but hopefully most of the real numpties will lose their seats anyway, which is about the only good thing in a Labour victory. I’m afraid we’ve got two awful choices and the only thing I can hope for is that when Starmer does win it’s not by a huge majority though it is likely to be. ☹️

Well I hope the Tories get annihilated. It’s no more than they deserve

[DirtySanchez]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

He might not be an oddball. 
 

 

“As I always say, no one reads manifestos unless they are oddballs”

 

Beat me to it