2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

People are confusing me on here at the moment 😁 Does this mean you do want socialism or you don't want socialism? 

Just the bit that’s gets him a decent pension. 
 

The rest can get to fuck. 

4 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. I’ll beat my drum now. Look at the French system. The final state pension is based on income similar to a private pension. Surely a fairer way than our current scheme. They also retire earlier than us. If only we had a government (of any colour or leaning) who could implement a similar scheme. 

We’ve got an ageing population and people don’t want us to import sufficient working age folk.

Generations are having to retire later and later to support a bunch of people who have been the most privileged in relative terms generation in history. Their standard of living rose more than any other ever have and ever will.

Our welfare system in general is poor compared to much of Europe. Disability support awful, child benefits for the poorest capped at 2 kids, benefits frozen during inflationary periods.

I’d rather we fixed stuff for kids first. The future. 

 

11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

 

I’d rather we fixed stuff for kids first. The future. 

 

Young kids will be fine

#brexitbenefits

I dont remember folk up in arms when it was people fresh into a mortgage getting hit with fuck off rate rises while pensioners had the triple lock

Anyway, id prefer pensions were better, id prefer all sorts was better

Be nice if pensions keep increasing in time for me

Probably be better if the tories had been increasing the tax thresholds for the last few years?

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

Young kids will be fine

#brexitbenefits

I dont remember folk up in arms when it was people fresh into a mortgage getting hit with fuck off rate rises while pensioners had the triple lock

Anyway, id prefer pensions were better, id prefer all sorts was better

Be nice if pensions keep increasing in time for me

Probably be better if the tories had been increasing the tax thresholds for the last few years?

Shut it, you commie bastard

6 hours ago, Casino said:

 

its why merkel opened the doors to immigrants

...and, as recently seen in Solingen, what a master stroke that was.

4 hours ago, Ani said:

Strange thought the BBC loved Labour and never say a bad word. 

She went easy on him. The BBC will flow with the breeze if they sense unease (as Aldo already has). They just won't go full bore against red bastards. Never have and never will.

4 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The criminal justice system not taking violent offending seriously enough example #245367

Grabs the hair of one woman and punches her in the head, slams another woman's head into the car dashboard, and punches a third

A suspended sentence order and a £500 fine will teach him I'm sure

No cultural sensitivity shown by the courts there. It should have been the three women receiving sentences. 

4 hours ago, Ani said:

They are holding the party in power to account as they did with the Tories. Flies in the face of the criticism. 

Drivel. They'll put on a mild show. They won't sully the reputation of their major benefactor.

3 hours ago, Ani said:

No one has suggested they should be impervious. What I was pointing out , as you are aware, is that the hammering the Labour MP was taking was from probably the best BBC broadcast journalist, which is a clear example  of the BBC not being bias in favour of the lefties which has been a regular comment on here. 

'Hammering'!!!??? Fucking hell. The representative of the working man, in his Savile Row suit, couldn't even raise a squirm. 

Must be tough when you have a position but the evidence shows you are wrong. I admire your commitment to simply ignore the facts in pursuit of your opinion. 

8 hours ago, kent_white said:

People are confusing me on here at the moment 😁 Does this mean you do want socialism or you don't want socialism? 

Taking from the poorest in society first isn’t socialism in my mind. My other comment about egalite was sarcasm. People in the public sector have much better pensions than those in the private sector. I over simplified the French pension scheme but generally, the more you put in, the more you take out. Simple. 👍

13 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. I’ll beat my drum now. Look at the French system. The final state pension is based on income similar to a private pension. Surely a fairer way than our current scheme. They also retire earlier than us. If only we had a government (of any colour or leaning) who could implement a similar scheme. 

Sounds like you want Starmer to put income tax up

8 hours ago, Casino said:

Young kids will be fine

#brexitbenefits

I dont remember folk up in arms when it was people fresh into a mortgage getting hit with fuck off rate rises while pensioners had the triple lock

Anyway, id prefer pensions were better, id prefer all sorts was better

Be nice if pensions keep increasing in time for me

Probably be better if the tories had been increasing the tax thresholds for the last few years?

Triple lock..🤣🤣🤣folk who only have state pension having to live off 1/2 minimum wage. Because they are old you think that it’s right & proper in this day & age? 

Edited August 29, 20242 yr by Mounts Kipper

8 hours ago, Casino said:

Young kids will be fine

#brexitbenefits

I dont remember folk up in arms when it was people fresh into a mortgage getting hit with fuck off rate rises while pensioners had the triple lock

Anyway, id prefer pensions were better, id prefer all sorts was better

Be nice if pensions keep increasing in time for me

Probably be better if the tories had been increasing the tax thresholds for the last few years?

The mortgage rates were not a government choice. They followed interest rates around the world. Liz Trust and her disastrous budget had an impact for some but she paid the price with others. Increasing tax thresholds would only have made things worse as did the reduction in NI. I expect that will be reversed at the budget. 

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Sounds like you want Starmer to put income tax up

That would stifle growth and growth is the cornerstone of their policies isn’t it?
They promised change. I didn’t think it would be change for the worse. 
It’s early days yet though. My only criticism has been the pension on behalf of those who will suffer most and I’m not alone, many in the Labour Party are also unhappy with the way it’s been handled. 
I hope Starmer is successful in his talks with Scholtz and Macron regarding ‘irregular migration’. It was one of his pledges before the election.

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

That would stifle growth and growth is the cornerstone of their policies isn’t it?
They promised change. I didn’t think it would be change for the worse. 
It’s early days yet though. My only criticism has been the pension on behalf of those who will suffer most and I’m not alone, many in the Labour Party are also unhappy with the way it’s been handled. 
I hope Starmer is successful in his talks with Scholtz and Macron regarding ‘irregular migration’. It was one of his pledges before the election.

Sadly I think it’s too late, Europe is swamped with illegal migration, they’ll keep on coming now, freedom of movement was the green light, there are 4 million in Turkey refugee camps, millions in Africa who’s dream is to live in the west. They’ll have to be some change in the mentality of governments across Europe to stop the tide. 

17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Sadly I think it’s too late, Europe is swamped with illegal migration, they’ll keep on coming now, freedom of movement was the green light, there are 4 million in Turkey refugee camps, millions in Africa who’s dream is to live in the west. They’ll have to be some change in the mentality of governments across Europe to stop the tide. 

Probably but the EU migration pact was supposed to address that. Pity it took them so long to agree. Haven’t heard much about it since May. I’ll have a look when I’ve some time.

55 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Sadly I think it’s too late, Europe is swamped with illegal migration, they’ll keep on coming now, freedom of movement was the green light, there are 4 million in Turkey refugee camps, millions in Africa who’s dream is to live in the west. They’ll have to be some change in the mentality of governments across Europe to stop the tide. 

Freedom of movement only applies within the EU bloc. It’s got nothing to do with migration into the EU from elsewhere.

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Taking from the poorest in society first isn’t socialism in my mind. My other comment about egalite was sarcasm. People in the public sector have much better pensions than those in the private sector. I over simplified the French pension scheme but generally, the more you put in, the more you take out. Simple. 👍

So you're arguing that we should take from the rich first? Or at least the better off? And use that money to fund subsidies for the less well off? That sounds like socialism to me. And I'd agree with you. 

And the French system you've described (the more you pay in the more you take out) is the same as how all pension schemes work isn't it? It's just based on your final salary rather than an average accrual over time? Which again - we could have, providing we all paid more tax. Which again, sounds a bit like socialism to me. 

I've got a spare red flag that you can use here comrade! All property is theft ⛳ 👍 😁

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

So you're arguing that we should take from the rich first? Or at least the better off? And use that money to fund subsidies for the less well off? That sounds like socialism to me. And I'd agree with you. 

And the French system you've described (the more you pay in the more you take out) is the same as how all pension schemes work isn't it? It's just based on your final salary rather than an average accrual over time? Which again - we could have, providing we all paid more tax. Which again, sounds a bit like socialism to me. 

I've got a spare red flag that you can use here comrade! All property is theft ⛳ 👍 😁

You won’t lead me down that road without a fight😊

My egalitarian proposal is that everyone has the same opportunity to enter a pension scheme on the same rules. Unlike now with the difference between the public and private sector. Gordon Brown made that even worse. Once in a scheme, If you earn and contribute more, then you get more out. That’s not tax, it’s pension contributions or an investment for the future.
If that makes me a socialist then call me Chez and pass me the Budenovka! 
 

7 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You won’t lead me down that road without a fight😊

My egalitarian proposal is that everyone has the same opportunity to enter a pension scheme on the same rules. Unlike now with the difference between the public and private sector. Gordon Brown made that even worse. Once in a scheme, If you earn and contribute more, then you get more out. That’s not tax, it’s pension contributions or an investment for the future.
If that makes me a socialist then call me Chez and pass me the Budenovka! 
 

😁😁

I agree that a well designed universal pension scheme that works for the public and private sector would be a good idea. 

You might need to pay some public sector workers more - as there are many that don't jump ship to the private sector because of that decent pension (albeit is nowhere near as good as it used to be in the NHS). 

But we'll make up for that by taxing the rich comrade! 💪💪💪 😁

 

25 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You won’t lead me down that road without a fight😊

My egalitarian proposal is that everyone has the same opportunity to enter a pension scheme on the same rules. Unlike now with the difference between the public and private sector. Gordon Brown made that even worse. Once in a scheme, If you earn and contribute more, then you get more out. That’s not tax, it’s pension contributions or an investment for the future.
If that makes me a socialist then call me Chez and pass me the Budenovka! 
 

Public sector pay is far behind private sector pay for equivalent roles especially exec and senior roles.

You get a small benefit of a better pension that has been watered down significantly now compared to what they were historically.

Former head of civil service said that it’s crazy how uncompetitive the public sector is pay wise with the private sector until you get a pension - and that even that benefit is receding in value. He said they couldn’t keep their best talent for that reason.

Frankly it’s a free choice and I think not a bad trade off though clearly public sector desirability is at an all time low so we need to do something about it. 

 

5 hours ago, Ani said:

Must be tough when you have a position but the evidence shows you are wrong. I admire your commitment to simply ignore the facts in pursuit of your opinion. 

I'll take it that this was addressed at me.

With this in mind, thank you.

If you hadn't reached the conclusion over the last few years, let me be clear. I despise socialism. Aspiration killer. Mediocrity champion. Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Nothing tough about it squire, I assure you.

3 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Freedom of movement only applies within the EU bloc. It’s got nothing to do with migration into the EU from elsewhere.

It has everything to do with immigrants landing on Europe’s shores and just walking wherever they want through Europe because freedom of movement has relaxed border controls. That’s what’s happened and it’s embolden millions to try it. 

57 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It has everything to do with immigrants landing on Europe’s shores and just walking wherever they want through Europe because freedom of movement has relaxed border controls. That’s what’s happened and it’s embolden millions to try it. 

I agree to a point, but that should be the EUs problem, not ours anymore, as an Island, so we could stop any of them coming here if we really wanted to. We made a big fuss about gaining control of our borders, sadly, they currently seem to be more porous than ever.