Politics

[Zico]

15 hours ago, Cheese said:

I saw a group of women wearing Burkas in a hotel pool in Bahrain a few years ago, which was a bit weird, but each to their own innit. I'd be far more wary of a lad on a bike wearing a balaclava than I would a woman walking down the street wearing a Burka.

I don't think it is though, their "religion" (the men) demand they wear it,and lots of women are oppressed by the stricter followers of islam

it's backwards, oppresive and stone age, imo, but that's religion for you

it's banned in many places, and I get it, it's a way of saying, we don't do this here, and this is how you integrate into the west, in the same way we'd have to respect cultures if we moved to a muslim culture

so I've no issue if it is banned

the only thing I question is why reform have brought it up, and i don't think it's coming from a place of integration, equaity or fighting the oppression of woman

it's just an attack on muslims to whip up elements of their support

imo

[kent_white]

12 minutes ago, Zico said:

I don't think it is though, their "religion" (the men) demand they wear it,and lots of women are oppressed by the stricter followers of islam

it's backwards, oppresive and stone age, imo, but that's religion for you

it's banned in many places, and I get it, it's a way of saying, we don't do this here, and this is how you integrate into the west, in the same way we'd have to respect cultures if we moved to a muslim culture

so I've no issue if it is banned

the only thing I question is why reform have brought it up, and i don't think it's coming from a place of integration, equaity or fighting the oppression of woman

it's just an attack on muslims to whip up elements of their support

imo

👏👏👏 - absolutely 100%. And articulated better than I ever could! 👍

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Zico said:

I don't think it is though, their "religion" (the men) demand they wear it,and lots of women are oppressed by the stricter followers of islam

it's backwards, oppresive and stone age, imo, but that's religion for you

it's banned in many places, and I get it, it's a way of saying, we don't do this here, and this is how you integrate into the west, in the same way we'd have to respect cultures if we moved to a muslim culture

so I've no issue if it is banned

the only thing I question is why reform have brought it up, and i don't think it's coming from a place of integration, equaity or fighting the oppression of woman

it's just an attack on muslims to whip up elements of their support

imo

I agree with pretty much all of that. But as I've said previously, if we were to ban the Burka, it would only make sense that we ban all face coverings in public places at the same time. What if a non-Muslim woman wanted to wear a Burka? Or a Muslim woman wears one purely by choice? What about Nuns who sometimes cover their faces? It's all or nothing for me.

And you're right about Reform using it as opportunist Race-baiting nonsense.

Edited June 6, 2025 by Cheese

[kent_white]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I agree with pretty much all of that. But as I've said previously, if we were to ban the Burka, it would only make sense that we ban all face coverings in public places at the same time. What if a non-Muslim woman wanted to wear a Burka? Or a Muslim woman wears one purely by choice? What about Nuns who sometimes cover their faces? It's all or nothing for me.

And you're right about Reform using it as opportunist Race-baiting nonsense.

I was reading up on the Burka ban in France yesterday evening - following this thread. They've found it difficult to implement and found that there are problems in different areas, namely.......

Some affected women now just avoid public space entirely

It's led to tensions between Muslim communities and broader french society

Some women reported harassment for wearing other types of religious dress

Police struggle to practically enforce it - and differences between how the law is applied in different areas of France

The law became politicised into broader ill feeling about race and immigration 

And it's actually not made a great deal of difference as very few people actually wore one anyway

[Casino]

On 05/06/2025 at 14:19, DazBob said:

 

What should be commended is to make a bad decision and then to see that it was bad and to do something about it.

Like trying to sort out brexshit

[Underpants]

I couldn't care less about burkas. Moral outrage is something I don't subscribe too.

[Zico]

47 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I was reading up on the Burka ban in France yesterday evening - following this thread. They've found it difficult to implement and found that there are problems in different areas, namely.......

Some affected women now just avoid public space entirely

It's led to tensions between Muslim communities and broader french society

Some women reported harassment for wearing other types of religious dress

Police struggle to practically enforce it - and differences between how the law is applied in different areas of France

The law became politicised into broader ill feeling about race and immigration 

And it's actually not made a great deal of difference as very few people actually wore one anyway

aye, there would certainly be some fall out if we went down that route, it would cause more issues than it resolves

I don't think a ban is needed, there's no threat from someone wearing a burqha, the only negative connotation is the reminder that the emperor's imperial guards wore them in return of the jedi, and they were the bad guys

[Spider]

Every suicide bomber that has caused an atrocity in this country (and I may be wrong) has been male without a face covering.

I'm going to guess that costume isn't the issue to attack, though it's a very easy target for those whose thought process extends no further than the next pint of Carling.

[gonzo]

15 minutes ago, Spider said:

Every suicide bomber that has caused an atrocity in this country (and I may be wrong) has been male without a face covering.

I'm going to guess that costume isn't the issue to attack, though it's a very easy target for those whose thought process extends no further than the next pint of Carling.

I really don't think that's the reason for a large portion of the folk who would prefer it banned or they didn't wear it.

 

[Not in Crawley]

Personally, it's a repressive garment. But any more so than orthodox Jewish Women shaving their head after marriage and wearing a wig? No.

But targeting orthodox Jews doesn't stoke the cultural wars enough, which and let's face it are anti Islam. 

But if you're a bit dim it's easy for their spokespeople to prod them for their own ends.

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Personally, it's a repressive garment. But any more so than orthodox Jewish Women shaving their head after marriage and wearing a wig? No.

But targeting orthodox Jews doesn't stoke the cultural wars enough, which and let's face it are anti Islam. 

But if you're a bit dim it's easy for their spokespeople to prod them for their own ends.

Is that really a thing? - I never knew that

[Not in Crawley]

52 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Is that really a thing? - I never knew that

Yup - funny how cultural mores only attach themselves to those we find other.

[frank_spencer]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

Is that really a thing? - I never knew that

It's why orthodox Jewish wimmin all have the same hairdo they're all in wigs

[Cheese]

Every religion is fucking weird and has bizarre practices. Mankind would be far better off without any of it.

[frank_spencer]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Every religion is fucking weird and has bizarre practices. Mankind would be far better off without any of it.

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

What religion is he?

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What religion is he?

Reform Party, at a guess

[frank_spencer]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Reform Party, at a guess

Monster Raving Looney Party definitely.

Mick Foley is a massive lefty.

[Zico]

I've been researching burkas and I don't mind them 

They add to the mystery

I found this on Only Imams

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

Is that really a thing? - I never knew that

Neither did I. Every day is a school day 

[miamiwhite]

4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Personally, it's a repressive garment. But any more so than orthodox Jewish Women shaving their head after marriage and wearing a wig? No.

But targeting orthodox Jews doesn't stoke the cultural wars enough, which and let's face it are anti Islam. 

But if you're a bit dim it's easy for their spokespeople to prod them for their own ends.

Sorry fella, time for a Friday night interruption here. That is an incorrect statement you're making 

It is certain ultra orthodox elements who do that, not the orthodox ones.

Please get yours facts right

As you were

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

Sorry fella, time for a Friday night interruption here. That is an incorrect statement you're making 

It is certain ultra orthodox elements who do that, not the orthodox ones.

Please get yours facts right

As you were

That's also a bit of a misdirection - because that is asi how orthodox Jewish are.

Are you were...

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

That's also a bit of a misdirection - because that is asi how orthodox Jewish are.

Are you were...

No misdirection whatsoever. Your statement is false. End of

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, miamiwhite said:

No misdirection whatsoever. Your statement is false. End of

It's not. End of.

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

It's not. End of.

OK. I lived with an orthodox Jew for 18 years, but you know best 😂