Politics

[mickbrown]

5 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Reeves and Joicey are central to financial policy for this government but just like the previous Deputy PM, can't seem to get away from lining their own pockets.

They all need to grow up and realise they are now responsible for the well being of the country and move away from their own petty manoeuvring.

Again, absolutely irrelevant to this issue.
 

Besides, politician in grace and favour accommodation in renting out own house shocker. 

It’s always happened

Anyroad, are you privy to their financial status?

Mortgage free?

Mortgaged up to the bollox?

Does the rent cover the mortgage?

You’re making a fuck load of assumptions here. 

[Dimron]

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

You just couldn't bring yourself to say 'spaz chariot' could you?

I won't then.

Wouldn't mind one myself... get in cheap and park on the touchline on Manny Rd North 

[Dimron]

3 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Again, absolutely irrelevant to this issue.
 

Besides, politician in grace and favour accommodation in renting out own house shocker. 

It’s always happened

Anyroad, are you privy to their financial status?

Mortgage free?

Mortgaged up to the bollox?

Does the rent cover the mortgage?

You’re making a fuck load of assumptions here. 

A Chancellor has to be able to know when to press certain buttons and push levers to tweek the activity when needed in one of the world's largest economies...this lady is out of her depth, lied on her Linkedin CV and fiddled her exes when working at a bank.

Good luck for trying for the big job but you really are out of your league

[mickbrown]

12 minutes ago, Dimron said:

A Chancellor has to be able to know when to press certain buttons and push levers to tweek the activity when needed in one of the world's largest economies...this lady is out of her depth, lied on her Linkedin CV and fiddled her exes when working at a bank.

Good luck for trying for the big job but you really are out of your league

Still irrelevant 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Time to convert some of your ISA savings to gold maybe.

Buy any big ticket items you're planning on getting in the not too distant future.

God knows what extra taxation will be levied. 

[bolty58]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Time to convert some of your ISA savings to gold maybe.

Buy any big ticket items you're planning on getting in the not too distant future.

God knows what extra taxation will be levied. 

Tipping that it's going to hurt.

You get what you vote for.

[jayjayoghani]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

You're welcome to carry on believing whatever tripe that is pushed your way, some of us are more sceptical.

PS... they're all wrong uns, whatever their political spoutings

Eh? My post only mentioned you.

[DazBob]

44 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You just couldn't bring yourself to say 'spaz chariot' could you?

I won't then.

He wasn't talking about Vespas or Lambrettas or whatever peanut grinder it is that you mince around on.

[Spider]

22 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Tipping that it's going to hurt.

You get what you vote for.

What would you know about voting in the uk?

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Tipping that it's going to hurt.

You get what you vote for.

You are still stuck in the 80s narrative that tax is bad. Is a very odd historic and economic narrative.

Do we need better services? Yes. Do we need affordable housing? Yes. Do we need to support older and poorer people with their utilities? Yes. Do we need to ensure more people stay in their home towns rather than leave? Yes. Do we need central funding from cultural bodies to breath life into towns? Yes. 

You are economically protected, due to age, a lot of graft and brilliant forthought - must have been hard moving to a place where you know you arent going to see family apart from a holiday every couple of years (its hard enough being a 6 hour drive away)

But then what bores folk is your vision of the UK is so remote. You sound like a tourist in a place you used to belong to, but you dont any more.

Thats fine, we all move on. But dont ever try and tell those who live here how the country should be run.

You no longer have real skin in the game. You gave that up when you decided to leave England and emigrate to Australia.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Wow.

Breaking now.

Starmer has issued a letter (public) severely criticising Reeves for changing her information from her first letter to her second to him.

He acknowledges he feels she acted in good faith, however this is huge.

She is almost certainly on borrowed time.

And if she goes...

[Spider]

27 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You are still stuck in the 80s narrative that tax is bad. Is a very odd historic and economic narrative.

Do we need better services? Yes. Do we need affordable housing? Yes. Do we need to support older and poorer people with their utilities? Yes. Do we need to ensure more people stay in their home towns rather than leave? Yes. Do we need central funding from cultural bodies to breath life into towns? Yes. 

You are economically protected, due to age, a lot of graft and brilliant forthought - must have been hard moving to a place where you know you arent going to see family apart from a holiday every couple of years (its hard enough being a 6 hour drive away)

But then what bores folk is your vision of the UK is so remote. You sound like a tourist in a place you used to belong to, but you dont any more.

Thats fine, we all move on. But dont ever try and tell those who live here how the country should be run.

You no longer have real skin in the game. You gave that up when you decided to leave England and emigrate to Australia.

 

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

 

He's too old to be middle age smug.

Edited October 30, 2025 by Not in Crawley

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Wow.

Breaking now.

Starmer has issued a letter (public) severely criticising Reeves for changing her information from her first letter to her second to him.

He acknowledges he feels she acted in good faith, however this is huge.

She is almost certainly on borrowed time.

And if she goes...

Its not huge - she didnt do anything 'wrong' but about to put taxes up knowing you are getting 3k a month from renting out your own house, whilst totally legally, sits like a steaming turd to the rest of the country.

Its baffling that a) she thought that was acceptable b) that it would never come into the public domain.

 

[boltonboris]

I see 30p Lee has ‘vowed’ to cut mental health funding if Reform get into power as apparently young people don’t know what anxiety is as they never worked in the pits, or were in the trenches. 
 

The coffin dodgers making up their voting demographic are getting the blue pills out to try and tug themselves off in celebration. 
 

It’s ironic considering Lee Anderson’s generation had it easier than any other in history and yet he’s one of a number trying to inflict damage onto future generations to pander to the whims of those are quite frankly, past it. 

[Not in Crawley]

1 minute ago, boltonboris said:

I see 30p Lee has ‘vowed’ to cut mental health funding if Reform get into power as apparently young people don’t know what anxiety is as they never worked in the pits, or were in the trenches. 
 

The coffin dodgers making up their voting demographic are getting the blue pills out to try and tug themselves off in celebration. 
 

It’s ironic considering Lee Anderson’s generation had it easier than any other in history and yet he’s one of a number trying to inflict damage onto future generations to pander to the whims of those are quite frankly, past it. 

I saw the interview. Trump didnt go to Vietnam because he got bought out of the draft.

So now this stupid little tit is saying mental health isnt a thing because the boys who fought in the world wars didnt have 'anxiety'

Forgetting all the PTSD, the high levels of disconnect in the post war generation.

My Dad is 80, he's very far from a liberal, but he heard this and we had chat and the upshot was, "idiots will always be idiots, on each side of the divide but he's the bloke you'd ignore at work"

[boltonboris]

I’m glad your dad can see how much of a cunt Anderson is. Unfortunately even if others of a similar age do, they’ll pretend they don’t as they’ve nailed their colours to the right wing mast. Which is way too prevalent nowadays. 
 

Consider yourself on the right? You must jump on every right wing cause. 

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

You are still stuck in the 80s narrative that tax is bad. Is a very odd historic and economic narrative.

Do we need better services? Yes. Do we need affordable housing? Yes. Do we need to support older and poorer people with their utilities? Yes. Do we need to ensure more people stay in their home towns rather than leave? Yes. Do we need central funding from cultural bodies to breath life into towns? Yes. 

You are economically protected, due to age, a lot of graft and brilliant forthought - must have been hard moving to a place where you know you arent going to see family apart from a holiday every couple of years (its hard enough being a 6 hour drive away)

But then what bores folk is your vision of the UK is so remote. You sound like a tourist in a place you used to belong to, but you dont any more.

Thats fine, we all move on. But dont ever try and tell those who live here how the country should be run.

You no longer have real skin in the game. You gave that up when you decided to leave England and emigrate to Australia.

 You may have noticed that I have been far less antagonistic with you in recent times.

Don't tell me 'don't ever'. As we have been over many, many times before, not only do I have extended family in the motherland (and yes, not a one is a Labour voter to my knowledge) but I also have property interests.

Instead of continuing, easier just to say that the highlighted bit is incorrect and therefore all that precedes is bollocks.

Other than that, you have a nice day.

Edited October 31, 2025 by bolty58

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

He's too old to be middle age smug.

..and now it gets back to 'ism' insults.

I won't respond in kind to you right now.

What is really irking you is the knowledge that the tax rises will make this unpopular government even more unpopular. With this in mind, I will cut you some slack.

Edited October 31, 2025 by bolty58

[gonzo]

8 hours ago, Ani said:

@gonzo

Seems like you had a point about Blackpool

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly137089yyo

Tops all kinds of other lists too mate.

Highest crime rate outside of London, highest use of antidepressants, highest suicide and think it's overtaken Glasgow for drug deaths.

....the authorities spent over £100m on a new Tram station, tram tracks and funded the New Holiday Inn last year.

Aye that'll help the town

[gonzo]

The town is like a fallen Christmas Tree.

Sparkling and glowing on the outside.

Slowly dying within.

[royal white]

7 hours ago, boltonboris said:

I see 30p Lee has ‘vowed’ to cut mental health funding if Reform get into power as apparently young people don’t know what anxiety is as they never worked in the pits, or were in the trenches. 
 

The coffin dodgers making up their voting demographic are getting the blue pills out to try and tug themselves off in celebration. 
 

It’s ironic considering Lee Anderson’s generation had it easier than any other in history and yet he’s one of a number trying to inflict damage onto future generations to pander to the whims of those are quite frankly, past it. 

It was on the news not long back that last year just under 600 kids a day are being referred to mental health specialists for anxiety. This is up from 10 in 2017. How on earth can any service cope with those increases. What’s happened in that time to see such an increase (no doubt covid will take some blame). There’s no doubt some kids do have issues but I also have no doubt some are taking the piss with it, 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 hours ago, boltonboris said:

I see 30p Lee has ‘vowed’ to cut mental health funding if Reform get into power as apparently young people don’t know what anxiety is as they never worked in the pits, or were in the trenches. 
 

The coffin dodgers making up their voting demographic are getting the blue pills out to try and tug themselves off in celebration. 
 

It’s ironic considering Lee Anderson’s generation had it easier than any other in history and yet he’s one of a number trying to inflict damage onto future generations to pander to the whims of those are quite frankly, past it. 

Firstly, unless you were brought up in the environment he was, then you don't know how difficult his upbringing was.

How you can determine his generation had it easy, I don't know.

Materially, we have far more now, and a greater, faster availability of "stuff".

On the other hand, the faster paced, digital society, has created many issues for people.

We could go on for ages and get nowhere though.

Secondly, the mental health situation is indeed a real issue.

Nevertheless, it is also without doubt one that has been "overblown", in the sense that plenty of younger people lack resilience, and immediately believe that their stress is depression, which is not the same.

Covid played a big part in all this, however, for me, the biggest problem has and is the use of phones and social media.

An inability to communicate properly with their peers and wider society has left them unexposed to the necessary ups and downs of life, and a subsequent weakness to deal with it.

It is without doubt the case that getting people into work improves their mental health. A sense of fulfillment, achievement and pride and the financial reward for doing so.

It is also the social aspect of being with people- a natural human instinct.

Doing nothing is categorically injurious to mental health, and it becomes a doom loop.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

It was on the news not long back that last year just under 600 kids a day are being referred to mental health specialists for anxiety. This is up from 10 in 2017. How on earth can any service cope with those increases. What’s happened in that time to see such an increase (no doubt covid will take some blame). There’s no doubt some kids do have issues but I also have no doubt some are taking the piss with it, 

Yep.

As above, there is a large cohort in the middle. 

Media and society is setting the scene, and they naturally believe any difficulties are depression.

Without a different voice helping to lead them in a different direction, then there is this doom loop potential.

If that requires a gentle kick up the backside, then so be it.

[royal white]

16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yep.

As above, there is a large cohort in the middle. 

Media and society is setting the scene, and they naturally believe any difficulties are depression.

Without a different voice helping to lead them in a different direction, then there is this doom loop potential.

If that requires a gentle kick up the backside, then so be it.

Me and the missus were talking about it with a few mates the other week. Christ I think the majority of us ticked the majority of boxes for ADHD, as I’m sure many would on here. Symptoms for kids included. Forgetting things, getting distracted, losing things, making careless mistakes in school. Does anyone know of any kid that doesn’t do the above. if I went to the Dr next week with the family we would all be on PIP. 

 

I agree with what Anderson is saying here. 
 

For many people in this country, Pip is a necessary lifeline for them to live a dignified life, but for some, sadly, it's an excuse not to go to work."

Anderson said the government should not be "labelling young people disabled because they have the odd bout of anxiety" and, listing some of the symptoms of anxiety and depression, asked "who in this room has not suffered these?"