Politics

[Spider]

1 minute ago, dazl1212 said:

Sounds sensible. I wonder what my employer would think of that 😂

I’m not denying genuine problems exist.

But it’s obvious genuine cases like yours are exploited by people who claim to be the same when they are just lazy cunts who don’t want to work

[Spider]

As for Reeves.

I think today was a proper gamble.

She’s done this to see how the markets react I think. If it’s really bad, she can still change the budget, it the reaction is fairly benign, she can crack on.

Coukd turn out to be a a bit of a smart move. Might not. But she’s probably low on options given the spot we’re in.

[Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’m not denying genuine problems exist.

But it’s obvious genuine cases like yours are exploited by people who claim to be the same when they are just lazy cunts who don’t want to work

It's not "obvious" at all. You're just making an assumption, based on nothing. It's no wonder blokes struggle (or just don't bother) to talk about this sort of stuff.

[athywhite1958]

19 minutes ago, Spider said:

As for Reeves.

 

she's a cunt, just like the rest of them, broken promise after broken promise

[Spider]

12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It's not "obvious" at all. You're just making an assumption, based on nothing. It's no wonder blokes struggle (or just don't bother) to talk about this sort of stuff.

Ok

[dazl1212]

31 minutes ago, Spider said:

I’m not denying genuine problems exist.

But it’s obvious genuine cases like yours are exploited by people who claim to be the same when they are just lazy cunts who don’t want to work

Now, that I can agree on and it annoys me as much as people being dismissive of it. Like you see it a lot with depression and it's disgusting. I've never suffered with depression but I am friends with people who do and when it's bad... Well, I wouldn't wish it iny own worst enemy.

 

To be fair though, I work and mine's severe so I imagine the number of fake cases is quite low.

Edited November 4, 2025 by dazl1212

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, dazl1212 said:

Now, that I can agree on and it annoys me as much as people being dismissive of it. Like you see it a lot with depression and it's disgusting. I've never suffered with depression but I am friends with people who do and when it's bad... Well, I wouldn't wish it iny own worst enemy.

Cheese is hovering at the minute and will be asking us to provide watertight, verified and court-approved proof of what we know is happening.

Mental health is a minefield, and it’s OBVIOUS that genuine cases probably don’t get treated as quickly as they should because a load of boneidle bums are exploiting the system, and saying “I’m not right in the head” is harder to disprove than sitting there with a broken leg.

Edited November 4, 2025 by Spider

[dazl1212]

Just now, Spider said:

Cheese is hovering at the minute and will be asking us to provide watertight, verified and court-approved proof of what we know is happening.

Mental health is a minefield, and it’s OBVIOUS that genuine cases probably don’t get treated as quickly as they should because a load of boneidle bums are exploiting the system and saying “I’m not right in the head” is harder to disprove than siting there with a broken leg.

I think it took 12 months as I went down the RTC pathway but I believe it's upwards of 3 years now. 

I don't personally believe ADHD to my level is a good enough reason to be on long-term disability. But I don't know how much worse it can get and can often be accompanied by other comorbitiies including autism. So I dunno. 

I personally believe there's bigger issues than the welfare budget which I believe pensions is the largest percentage of by a huge margin, but that's just me.

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I’m not denying genuine problems exist.

But it’s obvious genuine cases like yours are exploited by people who claim to be the same when they are just lazy cunts who don’t want to work

Yes you were - you fucking, horrible nasty fascist 😉😁 (safety emojis for clarity) 

It's the same argument anytime we try and support people as a system. Do we give people who need it the support that is going to help them, knowing that there will be a proportion of people who take the piss?

I'm not sure you can ever really have one without the other. 

And I think we're all somewhere on that line. I tend to be further towards the 'I'll accept that some people are going to take the piss if it means the right ones get help' end. And others are more towards the - 'I accept that some people aren't going to get the help they need, but at least it'll stop people taking the piss' end. 

Same with everything really. Medication, benefits, immigration etc and so on and so forth. 

[kent_white]

33 minutes ago, dazl1212 said:

I think it took 12 months as I went down the RTC pathway but I believe it's upwards of 3 years now. 

I don't personally believe ADHD to my level is a good enough reason to be on long-term disability. But I don't know how much worse it can get and can often be accompanied by other comorbitiies including autism. So I dunno. 

I personally believe there's bigger issues than the welfare budget which I believe pensions is the largest percentage of by a huge margin, but that's just me.

Part of the problem is that the 'test' is largely self reported symptoms. So some scratter can easily just Google the symptoms and then put themselves down as 'very severe' or 'all the time'. 

Although I do know someone who had a test where he had to concentrate on a dot on the screen or something for 5 minutes. And he completely flunked it! 😁

I could have told you he had ADHD myself. He can't even walk around ASDA without ringing me and giving me a running commentary. 

I've been waiting ages for a referral. The best way I can describe it is that the moment I wake up it's BAM! A million insignificant thoughts, ideas and imaginings running through my head. And that lasts all day every day until I manage to go to sleep. 

It makes it very hard to figure out which train of thought to latch on to. And although I've found ways of making it work - it can be really exhausting at times. 

That's why I like coming on here and typing my thoughts out - because it makes me slow down a bit. 

Half the time when I'm having a conversation - I've already thought about a thousand permutations, drawn conclusions and started to put an action plan together while some people are still reading the summary. And it gets really frustrating. But then trying to put that plan into action without some real heavy stimulation to act massively bogs me down. Because I'm obsessing about details. So EVERYTHING gets slowed down. 

And I think Spider is right and that everyone does elements of this - but in some people it happens to the extent that it affects their lives, relationships and work etc. 

Anyway - they'll probably tell me there's nowt wrong with me and I'm just being a fanny! 🤣

[dazl1212]

14 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Part of the problem is that the 'test' is largely self reported symptoms. So some scratter can easily just Google the symptoms and then put themselves down as 'very severe' or 'all the time'. 

Although I do know someone who had a test where he had to concentrate on a dot on the screen or something for 5 minutes. And he completely flunked it! 😁

I could have told you he had ADHD myself. He can't even walk around ASDA without ringing me and giving me a running commentary. 

I've been waiting ages for a referral. The best way I can describe it is that the moment I wake up it's BAM! A million insignificant thoughts, ideas and imaginings running through my head. And that lasts all day every day until I manage to go to sleep. 

It makes it very hard to figure out which train of thought to latch on to. And although I've found ways of making it work - it can be really exhausting at times. 

That's why I like coming on here and typing my thoughts out - because it makes me slow down a bit. 

Half the time when I'm having a conversation - I've already thought about a thousand permutations, drawn conclusions and started to put an action plan together while some people are still reading the summary. And it gets really frustrating. But then trying to put that plan into action without some real heavy stimulation to act massively bogs me down. Because I'm obsessing about details. So EVERYTHING gets slowed down. 

And I think Spider is right and that everyone does elements of this - but in some people it happens to the extent that it affects their lives, relationships and work etc. 

Anyway - they'll probably tell me there's nowt wrong with me and I'm just being a fanny! 🤣

Some of that sounds very similar to how mine is, I'm a nightmare for if someone is giving me directions "Go down the M6, take junction... I wonder how many first round knockouts Mike Tyson had in his prime, what should I have for me tea... Daz are you listening" ME "Sorry, M6 and then?" This can go on for several rounds before I just say "yeah" because the conversation is becoming uncomfortable.

I think the second part of what you are talking about could be hyperfocus, where one part of your job seems more important or more like you will get a nice dopamine reward for it and that's what ADHD brains are short of.

But details? It can go the opposite way, I'll start off with the best will in the world to do something well but I get bored of it and end up bodging it to a insane degree just to finish it and move onto something else. Its why I don't do any of my own DIY jobs, its not safe.

I had to do something called a QB check where you match shapes of the same colour if they appear twice, its about 15 minutes. I was that bad that the software kept starting again as I thought, it thought I wasnt trying hard enough or was cheating. It was actually because my score was that bad it kept trying to get a reading that is in range. Honestly, it was like Chinese water torture. It took me an hour to get a respectable score. Which was still stupidly bad. It was all video'd and im on camera swearing and smashing the keyboard with my fist. Not a good look.

[kent_white]

18 minutes ago, dazl1212 said:

Some of that sounds very similar to how mine is, I'm a nightmare for if someone is giving me directions "Go down the M6, take junction... I wonder how many first round knockouts Mike Tyson had in his prime, what should I have for me tea... Daz are you listening" ME "Sorry, M6 and then?" This can go on for several rounds before I just say "yeah" because the conversation is becoming uncomfortable.

I think the second part of what you are talking about could be hyperfocus, where one part of your job seems more important or more like you will get a nice dopamine reward for it and that's what ADHD brains are short of.

But details? It can go the opposite way, I'll start off with the best will in the world to do something well but I get bored of it and end up bodging it to a insane degree just to finish it and move onto something else. Its why I don't do any of my own DIY jobs, its not safe.

I had to do something called a QB check where you match shapes of the same colour if they appear twice, its about 15 minutes. I was that bad that the software kept starting again as I thought, it thought I wasnt trying hard enough or was cheating. It was actually because my score was that bad it kept trying to get a reading that is in range. Honestly, it was like Chinese water torture. It took me an hour to get a respectable score. Which was still stupidly bad. It was all video'd and im on camera swearing and smashing the keyboard with my fist. Not a good look.

This all sounds oddly familiar! 🤣

On the plus side I am a brilliant judge of character and I can usually figure someone out in about 10 seconds. 

And I'm really good in a crisis - or when I'm interested in something. But if you ask me to do something that my brain considers drudgery then you'll be lucky to ever get any work out of me. 

I also need to walk when I'm on the phone or my brain stops working and I'm constantly stimming in one way or another. Even in bed - otherwise I can't switch my brain off. And I'm not just taking about compulsive masturbation here although obviously that's a problem too! 🤣 

I spend about £5000 a year on new hobbies which last about a month until the dopamine fix wears off and I have about a hundred books thatvIve only ever read the first chapter of, despite thinking when I bought it that THIS time it would be different. 

[royal white]

One of the lads has just posted this on faceache. I wonder how close he is to the truth. 
 

FYI

The budget coming up on 26th Nov

If you pay tax you are getting shafted

If you are a pensioner, you are getting shafted 

If your kid has ADHD or Autism or no mobility issues or you do, they are scrapping the mobility scheme so no more £30000 pip whips 

Think you can be self employed and put £12500 a year through so you are under the tax threshold whilst leasing a £900 a month Range Rover, think again, they have the AI now and access to your bank account to show your declared income doesn’t match your lifestyle 

They need to cover this bullshit 50 billion pound black hole that doesn’t exist 

As they are paying billions in interest due to supposed public borrowing whilst they are about to pay £50 bn to the EU to prop that shit show up 

And you must accept the rises as it’s not like senior government figures haven’t rented their second homes out without rental licenses or paid the correct stamp duty on second homes, oh yes they have, just us peasants need to pay then 

The cost of housing people illegally entering the country and associated costs  is set to rise to £15 billion a year, but don’t dare have concerns or you’re a fight right racist according to the humans rights lawyer kidding a living as a prime minister.

Will they tax the big corporates properly, not a chance as they are on the payroll 

George Orwell wasn’t far wrong 

1984, big brother is watching 

Absolute shit show this country 

A fucking wooooooga

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

One of the lads has just posted this on faceache. I wonder how close he is to the truth. 
 

FYI

The budget coming up on 26th Nov

If you pay tax you are getting shafted

If you are a pensioner, you are getting shafted 

If your kid has ADHD or Autism or no mobility issues or you do, they are scrapping the mobility scheme so no more £30000 pip whips 

Think you can be self employed and put £12500 a year through so you are under the tax threshold whilst leasing a £900 a month Range Rover, think again, they have the AI now and access to your bank account to show your declared income doesn’t match your lifestyle 

They need to cover this bullshit 50 billion pound black hole that doesn’t exist 

As they are paying billions in interest due to supposed public borrowing whilst they are about to pay £50 bn to the EU to prop that shit show up 

And you must accept the rises as it’s not like senior government figures haven’t rented their second homes out without rental licenses or paid the correct stamp duty on second homes, oh yes they have, just us peasants need to pay then 

The cost of housing people illegally entering the country and associated costs  is set to rise to £15 billion a year, but don’t dare have concerns or you’re a fight right racist according to the humans rights lawyer kidding a living as a prime minister.

Will they tax the big corporates properly, not a chance as they are on the payroll 

George Orwell wasn’t far wrong 

1984, big brother is watching 

Absolute shit show this country 

A fucking wooooooga

Sounds like a Tory budget to me ☺️

[wakey]

34 minutes ago, royal white said:

 

Will they tax the big corporates properly, not a chance as they are on the payroll 

 

the irony is you'll hear this line from folk planning to vote Reform.

[Dimron]

A true Labour budget would be tax wealth and invest in public services

[Not in Crawley]

7 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

she's a cunt, just like the rest of them, broken promise after broken promise

Do you think poiltics is like a marriage? Things change, every party that gets into government doesnt know the extent of budgetry problems until they are in power.

This thinking is why we are in the state we are in. Short term sugar fixes - id rather our government scuppered chances for electoral gain for the betterment of the country.

We are a loooooong way off an election thankfuly so we have time to see.

[Not in Crawley]

And you have to pick up their shit

Edited November 4, 2025 by Not in Crawley

[bolty58]

All entirely predictable. You will get the dyed in the wool types and gingers who would vote for a cow with a red rosette bleating their excuses but those who have been around slightly longer know.

What you are about to receive you always receive under Labour.

Cue '14 years', 'Brexit', 'Covid', blah, blah, fucking blah.

They have always hiked taxes; always driven out job creators, always used civil service jobs of all sorts (quango's/bloated governmental departments etc.) to massage the unemployment figures to mask the results of their instinctive urge to kill aspiration.

You were told before you voted for them. Do not be surprised.

 

[Not in Crawley]

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

All entirely predictable. You will get the dyed in the wool types and gingers who would vote for a cow with a red rosette bleating their excuses but those who have been around slightly longer know.

What you are about to receive you always receive under Labour.

Cue '14 years', 'Brexit', 'Covid', blah, blah, fucking blah.

They have always hiked taxes; always driven out job creators, always used civil service jobs of all sorts (quango's/bloated governmental departments etc.) to massage the unemployment figures to mask the results of their instinctive urge to kill aspiration.

You were told before you voted for them. Do not be surprised.

 

Well the first paragraph is beyond ironic.

As for the rest, the incompetence of a party you supported, backed to the hilt through evey leadership has led us here. The conservatives - once led themselves as the fiscal gurus - fucked it up. Massively. 

Austerity has now been shown to be not only a shit show in term of economic management but the trickle down effects are being seen now. That over promoted public school buffoon Osbourne did more damage to this country than even Liz Truss.

So stop bleating about things you have little idea of based a history you seem.to know nothing about and let the grown ups talk 😊

[Spider]

9 hours ago, bolty58 said:

All entirely predictable. You will get the dyed in the wool types and gingers who would vote for a cow with a red rosette bleating their excuses but those who have been around slightly longer know.

What you are about to receive you always receive under Labour.

Cue '14 years', 'Brexit', 'Covid', blah, blah, fucking blah.

They have always hiked taxes; always driven out job creators, always used civil service jobs of all sorts (quango's/bloated governmental departments etc.) to massage the unemployment figures to mask the results of their instinctive urge to kill aspiration.

You were told before you voted for them. Do not be surprised.

 

Morning chubby

I used to vote for the blues. Last time out I went with the reds. So boom 💥 etc…

To quote WINSTON CHURCHILL - “Those who never change their minds, never change anything”

Have a great day and watch those saturated fats.

[dazl1212]

18 hours ago, kent_white said:

This all sounds oddly familiar! 🤣

On the plus side I am a brilliant judge of character and I can usually figure someone out in about 10 seconds. 

And I'm really good in a crisis - or when I'm interested in something. But if you ask me to do something that my brain considers drudgery then you'll be lucky to ever get any work out of me. 

I also need to walk when I'm on the phone or my brain stops working and I'm constantly stimming in one way or another. Even in bed - otherwise I can't switch my brain off. And I'm not just taking about compulsive masturbation here although obviously that's a problem too! 🤣

I spend about £5000 a year on new hobbies which last about a month until the dopamine fix wears off and I have about a hundred books thatvIve only ever read the first chapter of, despite thinking when I bought it that THIS time it would be different. 

Oh god, yes! I used to get new hobbies every few months, new PC, new car, new sport, going to the gym then working out at home, 3D modell, AI and so on. 

 

And like you I have so many books I haven't read, Atomic habits, Mindfulness and various IT certificate books hahaha I drive my missus mad and my daughter is exactly the same..

 

I've got my titration review as I've been on 60mg of Elvanse and it's only just settled. They'll want to put me up to 70mg. Not happening this time. Not for now anyway.

 

Anyway, we should probably pick this up in the Mental Health thread 🤣

Edited November 5, 2025 by dazl1212

[royal white]

Not a good look really is it.

 

 

[Spider]

It’ll be a Tory that’s done it on purpose.

100%

[Dimron]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Not a good look really is it.

 

 

Management isn't just about making fancy grand statements.... soetimes you need to get stuck in and kick folk up their arses.

Too much of this sort of thing in Government these days