Youri McAnespie Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Appeaser... Go and join the other commies like Corbyn and er...Peter Hitchens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) Appeaser... Go and join the other commies like Corbyn and er...Peter Hitchens. Hitchens . . . now there's a sour apple that talks some sense. Corbyn wasn't wrong either. Our whole public approach/response to this has been more concerning than the use of nerve toxins on our streets Said on this thread that we're just as bad and that's what many folk seem to forget We live in strange times where a shit joke is a hate crime and our foreign affairs secretary speaks like Major from Watery Fowls, the Flowery Twat Edited April 9, 2018 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Hitchens . . . now there's a sour apple that talks some sense. Corbyn wasn't wrong either. Our whole public approach/response to this has been more concerning than the use of nerve toxins on our streets Said on this thread that we're just as bad and that's what many folk seem to forget We live in strange times were a shit joke is a hate crime and our foreign affairs secretary speaks like Major from Watery Fowls, the Flowery Twat Corbyn was branded a "commie Russian double agent" by our oh so intelligent media for what seemed to be a very balanced and rational response. In this country some people don't seem to take well to balanced and rational and careful responses and prefer tub-thumping nonsense. Like you I'm worried that poking Russia is not a sensible strategy. Holding them to account yes, once you have established the facts. But they're not someone I'd be trying to rile up. Boris is a walking disaster and frankly its an embarrassment to the entire nation that he's even an MP, let alone in the front bench. This talk of a new political party taking from the Tory and Labour centre might be our best bloody hope for a more rational approach to politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 9, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted April 9, 2018 Hitchens . . . now there's a sour apple that talks some sense. Corbyn wasn't wrong either. Our whole public approach/response to this has been more concerning than the use of nerve toxins on our streets Said on this thread that we're just as bad and that's what many folk seem to forget We live in strange times were a shit joke is a hate crime and our foreign affairs secretary speaks like Major from Watery Fowls, the Flowery Twat Got to disagree re Corbyn. As for the government; they've played a blinder over the attack. Boris may not be helpful at times but there's more than just him thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Corbyn was branded a "commie Russian double agent" by our oh so intelligent media for what seemed to be a very balanced and rational response. In this country some people don't seem to take well to balanced and rational and careful responses and prefer tub-thumping nonsense. Like you I'm worried that poking Russia is not a sensible strategy. Holding them to account yes, once you have established the facts. But they're not someone I'd be trying to rile up. Boris is a walking disaster and frankly its an embarrassment to the entire nation that he's even an MP, let alone in the front bench. This talk of a new political party taking from the Tory and Labour centre might be our best bloody hope for a more rational approach to politics. Russia are seasoned professionals at espionage and revenge attacks so they just don’t leave obvious trails leading to The Kremlin. As discussed previously they just deflect from the truth and spin lots of conspiracy theories. TM has played this well and Corbyn should be standing square behind her and not weakening her position. It beggars belief how he would have handled this if he had been PM, we would be still sitting on our hands as Putin et al continue to laugh in our faces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Got to disagree re Corbyn. As for the government; they've played a blinder over the attack. Boris may not be helpful at times but there's more than just him thankfully. Fair enough I don't doubt that Russia have in one way or another carried out the attack in Salisbury but I think Corbyn was right to suggest we could be a bit more diplomatic, shall we say, in our response to it. Said above the result that we have currently is good form a political pov, and I'm sure most of this is hot air from all involved; but why we've been playing espionage games with Russia since the end of WW2 is beyond me. Tin foil hat reasons notwithstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Corbyn was branded a "commie Russian double agent" by our oh so intelligent media for what seemed to be a very balanced and rational response. In this country some people don't seem to take well to balanced and rational and careful responses and prefer tub-thumping nonsense. Like you I'm worried that poking Russia is not a sensible strategy. Holding them to account yes, once you have established the facts. But they're not someone I'd be trying to rile up. Boris is a walking disaster and frankly its an embarrassment to the entire nation that he's even an MP, let alone in the front bench. This talk of a new political party taking from the Tory and Labour centre might be our best bloody hope for a more rational approach to politics. Not just here, seems the whole western world is polarised at the minute whether it be political, racial, sexual or gender related. Voices of reason are drowned out or ridiculed; it's like living in the witch hunt days! Again, it's hard to resist tin foil hat reasons but one thing that is for certain is that the media have been stirring it up more than I've ever seen in my lifetime at the minute. I doubt that's accidental or coincidental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Boris is almost guaranteed to make any given situation worse. He's a fucking clown and it's unbelievable he's part of government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Boris is almost guaranteed to make any given situation worse. He's a fucking clown and it's unbelievable he's part of government He is so it isn't . He went to Eton, don't you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 He is so it isn't . He went to Eton, don't you know? So deserves a place in the cabinet obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 So deserves a place in the cabinet obviously. At the least, dear boy. Peerage, what?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 He is so it isn't . He went to Eton, don't you know? on a Scholarship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 on a Scholarship. #fakenews that doesn't fit the narrative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 #fakenews that doesn't fit the narrative What narrative is that? That we don't live in a meritocracy and it's not what you know it's who you know? That one? Aye cos he's really had a tough upbringing and had to drag himself up by his bootstraps hasn't he. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 10, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted April 10, 2018 Fair enough I don't doubt that Russia have in one way or another carried out the attack in Salisbury but I think Corbyn was right to suggest we could be a bit more diplomatic, shall we say, in our response to it. Said above the result that we have currently is good form a political pov, and I'm sure most of this is hot air from all involved; but why we've been playing espionage games with Russia since the end of WW2 is beyond me. Tin foil hat reasons notwithstanding Don't know if you saw it live, but I watched it as TM gave her statement shortly after the attack. He'd been given the information previously, and the government had done it's analysis. The statement gave the Russians the opportunity to say if some of its material had got into the wrong hands; which for some was actually quite gentle and diplomatic. Corbyn responded in a way that questioned the work done and it's evidence and suggested we should give them a sample. At first it seemed reasonable but upon reflection would have been pointless. Better the independent authority do their work. It was very telling that some of corbyns colleagues were agast at his comments, and slapped him down by saying they were unhappy with his comments and expressing their full support for the governments responge. It was the nature and tone of his comments that suggested a desire to make some political issue from it that was so distasteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted April 10, 2018 Members Share Posted April 10, 2018 Don't know if you saw it live, but I watched it as TM gave her statement shortly after the attack. He'd been given the information previously, and the government had done it's analysis. The statement gave the Russians the opportunity to say if some of its material had got into the wrong hands; which for some was actually quite gentle and diplomatic. Corbyn responded in a way that questioned the work done and it's evidence and suggested we should give them a sample. At first it seemed reasonable but upon reflection would have been pointless. Better the independent authority do their work. It was very telling that some of corbyns colleagues were agast at his comments, and slapped him down by saying they were unhappy with his comments and expressing their full support for the governments responge. It was the nature and tone of his comments that suggested a desire to make some political issue from it that was so distasteful. The Russians have too much on him from his time as one of the Proletariat - working for the Eastern Bloc against the interests of the country he would now like to lead (God forbid). They could finish him for certain. He will defend them or employ diversionary tactics for as long as he can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 What narrative is that? That we don't live in a meritocracy and it's not what you know it's who you know? That one? Aye cos he's really had a tough upbringing and had to drag himself up by his bootstraps hasn't he. Well, I was being facetious I agree, btw. He's similar to Trump in that regard. Gangsta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 It was the nature and tone of his comments that suggested a desire to make some political issue from it that was so distasteful. Yeah I can see that. I suppose it's two ends of the spectrum here; on the one hand Boris the Tactful and the other Corbyn the Meek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 10, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted April 10, 2018 Both knights of the wobbly table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 What narrative is that? That we don't live in a meritocracy and it's not what you know it's who you know? That one? Aye cos he's really had a tough upbringing and had to drag himself up by his bootstraps hasn't he. His great-grandparents include Christians, Muslims and Jews. His father was a student when Boris was born. He was severely deaf as a child. His mother has a nervous breakdown when he was 11. He went to state schools in Devon and North London before attending the European School in Brussels (when his father worked for the EEC), then a boarding school in Sussex not noted for sending pupils to Eton. His great-grandfather was a political refugee from Turkey, whose first wife died shortly after giving birth to his grandfather, who was left with English relatives when Boris's ggf went back to Turkey, where he was murdered a few years later. So yes, sort of. [Although he is directly descended from George II, just like call me Dave.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 His great-grandparents include Christians, Muslims and Jews. His father was a student when Boris was born. He was severely deaf as a child. His mother has a nervous breakdown when he was 11. He went to state schools in Devon and North London before attending the European School in Brussels (when his father worked for the EEC), then a boarding school in Sussex not noted for sending pupils to Eton. His great-grandfather was a political refugee from Turkey, whose first wife died shortly after giving birth to his grandfather, who was left with English relatives when Boris's ggf went back to Turkey, where he was murdered a few years later. So yes, sort of. [Although he is directly descended from George II, just like call me Dave.] Ha. He was brought up by au pairs on a huge private estate, and in a house in London that sold for £11M. Totally disingenuous to suggest he wasn't hugely privileged. Also to suggest he isn't a massive national embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson? Ah sorry - my mistake - didn't realise is was that de Pfeffel Johnson from the Frickley coal mining branch of the de Pfeffel Johnsons Edited April 10, 2018 by mickbrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted April 10, 2018 Members Share Posted April 10, 2018 His great-grandparents include Christians, Muslims and Jews. His father was a student when Boris was born. He was severely deaf as a child. His mother has a nervous breakdown when he was 11. He went to state schools in Devon and North London before attending the European School in Brussels (when his father worked for the EEC), then a boarding school in Sussex not noted for sending pupils to Eton. His great-grandfather was a political refugee from Turkey, whose first wife died shortly after giving birth to his grandfather, who was left with English relatives when Boris's ggf went back to Turkey, where he was murdered a few years later. So yes, sort of. [Although he is directly descended from George II, just like call me Dave.] Yes or no had he had a tough upbringing from the day he was born? Copying and pasting Wikipedia not allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madthatter Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Yes or no had he had a tough upbringing from the day he was born? Copying and pasting Wikipedia not allowed Maybe Malc's point is that he had a tougher upbringing than most of his peers at Eton. He clearly went to a shit boarding school in rural wherever . . . Mind you, I've heard the upper echelons of British public school life can be quite bitchy "OMG, Tarquin, have you seen the Jag that Boris' dad drives? Sooooo last year!" Edited April 10, 2018 by madthatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted April 10, 2018 Members Share Posted April 10, 2018 Maybe Malc's point is that he had a tougher upbringing than most of his peers at Eton. He clearly went to a shit boarding school in rural wherever . . . Mind you, I've heard the upper echelons of British public school life can be quite bitchy "OMG, Tarquin, have you seen the Jag that Boris' dad drives? Sooooo last year!" it's half of what he posted is irrelevant It's like rent a quote from Wikipedia that has no relation to the point Can you tell I'm in a bad mood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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