This Russian Spy Malarkey

[mickbrown]

I think we're a bit stupid to be rattling Russia without actually having proof that the attack was directed by the Russian state.

Its all pretty stupid as everyone knows we're not going to annoy them too much. Especially since they put Trump and his team in the whitehouse so we don't even have an ally there should push come to shove.

Course they did it.

 

Boris, whilst normally a complete bellend summed it up perfectly

 

“There is a reason for choosing novichok. In its blatant Russian-ness, the nerve agent sends a signal to all who may be thinking of dissent in the intensifying repression of Putin’s Russia.

 

“The message is clear: we will find you, we will catch you, we will kill you – and though we will deny it with lip-curling scorn, the world will know beyond doubt that Russia did it.”

[miamiwhite]

I think we're a bit stupid to be rattling Russia without actually having proof that the attack was directed by the Russian state.

 

Its all pretty stupid as everyone knows we're not going to annoy them too much. Especially since they put Trump and his team in the whitehouse so we don't even have an ally there should push come to shove.

 

Straight from the comrade txt book.

[Guest]

Straight from the comrade txt book.

 

We're not starting a war with Russia. You know that, I know that. So there is little we can do.

 

And whilst we all know Russia did it, we don't have proof, even our intelligence has laid out scenarios where the nerve agent's security may have been compromised. It isn't very likely, but certainly we don't have conclusive proof that would stand up to scrutiny.

 

Its a lot of noise right now, but everyone knows that's all it will be. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Have you seen the analysis reports or something?

 

I'll presume not, therefore another example of a non fact.

I'm happy enough to believe my government over theirs.

We have sent a sample to the body that oversees these weapons for independent analysis.

 

Moreover what should we do?

I'm quite happy so far and to see what transpires in the coming weeks.

 

Turkey sent a warning to the cunts in shooting down a Russian plane that entered its air space some while ago. Like a typical bully they reacted with a load of hot air, but having been given a bloody nose they soon shut the fuck up.

 

Economic efforts are the best way forward as their economy isn't exactly a shining beacon of success; sooner or later when Russian folk get to see what a thieving cunt Putin is they may start the end of his reign.

[Guest]

I think we're a bit stupid to be rattling Russia without actually having proof that the attack was directed by the Russian state.

Its all pretty stupid as everyone knows we're not going to annoy them too much. Especially since they put Trump and his team in the whitehouse so we don't even have an ally there should push come to shove.

How do you know we haven’t the proof?

[miamiwhite]

Anyone noticed yesterday the questions asked by the Russian foreign ministry were repeated very similarly hours by Corbyn hours later

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He must have had his comrades script in front of him.

[frank_spencer]

Anyone noticed yesterday the questions asked by the Russian foreign ministry were repeated very similarly hours by Corbyn hours later

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He must have had his comrades script in front of him.

His FB post is pretting damning of russia, not sure why the Geography teacher is getting flack for his response to the attack

[Guest]

Anyone noticed yesterday the questions asked by the Russian foreign ministry were repeated very similarly hours by Corbyn hours later

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He must have had his comrades script in front of him.

 

Hmm. Which of the major parties are funded by Russians?

[Salford Trotter]

Anyone noticed yesterday the questions asked by the Russian foreign ministry were repeated very similarly hours by Corbyn hours later

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He must have had his comrades script in front of him.

Corbyn is a national disgrace

[miamiwhite]

Corbyn is a national disgrace

Totally agree, yet folk on here see him as The Messiah.

[miamiwhite]

His FB post is pretting damning of russia, not sure why the Geography teacher is getting flack for his response to the attack

They weren’t the questions asked though by the Russian Ministry were they ?

[Guest]

Totally agree, yet folk on here see him as The Messiah.

 

Facts are that Corbyn has been supporting groups campaigning against Putin for a long time. 

 

This sums it up well.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-vladimir-putin-theresa-may-sergei-skripal-magnitsky-laws-a8253786.html

 

I don't think his response was very good yesterday, but the Tories are the party in cahoots with Russia. Certainly not Labour. 

[miamiwhite]

Facts are that Corbyn has been supporting groups campaigning against Putin for a long time. 

 

This sums it up well.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-vladimir-putin-theresa-may-sergei-skripal-magnitsky-laws-a8253786.html

 

I don't think his response was very good yesterday, but the Tories are the party in cahoots with Russia. Certainly not Labour.

 

No one has even said otherwise, my point was the questions asked yesterday which he repeated hours later, albeit not verbatim but may as well have been.....yet,you go all defensive and pointing fingers eleswhere.......yet another comrade trick isn’t it ? Diversionary tactics.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Hmm. Which of the major parties are funded by Russians?

None.

Parties are partly funded by folk from all over the place. A Russian donated £100000 (iirc) to the conservatives. This is a contribution not complete funding.

A lot of controversy over the years has resulted in increasing checks being made on people funding parties.

Not all Russians will be bad people and are at liberties to do as they wish with their money.

Should they be found otherwise they would be stopped; more so once the latest action comes to fruition.

 

If you choose to go down that route, then maybe check where some of corbyn's money comes from.

[miamiwhite]

His FB post is pretting damning of russia, not sure why the Geography teacher is getting flack for his response to the attack

 

These were the questions

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/freespirited_p/status/974211690995822593/photo/1

[Guest]

No one has even said otherwise, my point was the questions asked yesterday which he repeated hours later, albeit not verbatim but may as well have been.....yet,you go all defensive and pointing fingers eleswhere.......yet another comrade trick isn’t it ? Diversionary tactics.

 

The questions were points about complying with international law. Not really sure they were worth his time asking, but like I say trying to correlate that response to Corbyn "supporting Putin and Russia" is nonsense and you know it. But you keep on with the comrade rubbish. 

[frank_spencer]

These were the questions

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/freespirited_p/status/974211690995822593/photo/1

I was more pissed off with his bringing up of Tory contributions from russian sources.

that felt like cheap attempt at point scoring and it wasnt the time or place.

 

those questions linked above seem fairly reasonable even if they are nigh on repeats of the questions asked by the ruskies

[miamiwhite]

The questions were points about complying with international law. Not really sure they were worth his time asking, but like I say trying to correlate that response to Corbyn "supporting Putin and Russia" is nonsense and you know it. But you keep on with the comrade rubbish.

 

Just like you saying the Russians are funding the Tory party......

 

Best contradiction this week though is folk saying the Russians have basically got the Tory party in their pocket, whilst also saying the Tory party are too strong and robust in their actions against Russia........that wasn’t your quote by the way...

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I was more pissed off with his bringing up of Tory contributions from russian sources.

that felt like cheap attempt at point scoring and it wasnt the time or place.

 

those questions linked above seem fairly reasonable even if they are nigh on repeats of the questions asked by the ruskies

Quite right frank

I watched live when TM gave the first speech. Corbyn's response was pathetic. Even slapped down my some of his own.

Anything reasonable he might have to say was lost.

[mickbrown]

Questions do need to be asked about Russian money going to the Tories.

 

But May has handled it pretty well so far.

[Guest]

Just like you saying the Russians are funding the Tory party......

 

Best contradiction this week though is folk saying the Russians have basically got the Tory party in their pocket, whilst also saying the Tory party are too strong and robust in their actions against Russia........that wasn’t your quote by the way...

 

They are heavily funded by Russians. That is a fact.

 

And you and I know that this is political grandstanding at its best. If we were serious we'd be going an awful lot further than we are. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Mick, I would imagine they already have been and will continue to be.

Pretty sure all donations have to be available for scrutiny.

Hopefully malc will be along soon with a definitive answer.

[miamiwhite]

They are heavily funded by Russians. That is a fact.

 

And you and I know that this is political grandstanding at its best. If we were serious we'd be going an awful lot further than we are.

 

Course it is, but it still deviates from the original matter.

 

Anyway, for the record, Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne actually so view Putin as too much of a centrist for their liking.

 

It’s so sweet to see them all nostalgic about the good old days.....

[Youri McAnespie]

Corbyn is a national disgrace

You're wrong...

 

In fact I've wrote a poem about it;

 

'In the winter it's cool, in the summer it's hot, but all the year round Corbyn is a lovely...'

[MalcolmW]

Did wonder. I can only guess that we perhaps knew but were prepared to tolerate and possibly feed them disinformation.

 

 

Other than that it seems a little strange.

 

When Burgess and Maclean, and the rest of the Cambridge ring, began supplying the Soviets with information in 1936 or thereabouts, the recipients believed the ring to be supplying disinformation. This was based on the fact that nothing they were given enabled them to identify weak links in their own network, and this belief continued until at least 1943, although they had been supplied with true secrets only. What the Soviets could not understand was that, at that time, UK did not have any spies in Russian networks, and therefore no prospect of shopping double agents.