Love him or hate him the lads got some nuts, caught this lad a cracker here.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNP2y7ELus&feature=youtu.be

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

So one is breaking the law the other is, well, breaking the law. That’s how I see it sorry. 
and last week if no physical violence what was preoccupying their time so much that they couldn’t uphold the law? This is where I struggle. They are there to uphold the law. It’s what they are supposed to do. They failed miserably. 

 

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

You both conveniently forgot the “peaceful” BLM protest in London. Football lads stood on monuments right across the UK and only a handful caused any trouble, let’s be even handed when making comparisons. 

It's a matter of avoiding needlessly escalating a situation. The criminal offence of damaging that statue was going to happen irrespective of whether or not the police charged in to prevent it. If they had charged in, the situation might well quickly have changed from a peaceful one to a physically violent one with no conceivable benefit, and without the police presence there to bring it to a halt.

Contrast that with the policing at the Black Lives Matter protest in London days before, and you will note that the policing was much heavier (riot police, charging horses, etc.).

It's a matter of assessing the intelligence you have on the event and the risk it poses, and then adopting a policing strategy around it. 

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

 

It's a matter of avoiding needlessly escalating a situation. The criminal offence of damaging that statue was going to happen irrespective of whether or not the police charged in to prevent it. If they had charged in, the situation might well quickly have changed from a peaceful one to a physically violent one with no conceivable benefit, and without the police presence there to bring it to a halt.

Contrast that with the policing at the Black Lives Matter protest in London days before, and you will note that the policing was much heavier (riot police, charging horses, etc.).

It's a matter of assessing the intelligence you have on the event and the risk it poses, and then adopting a policing strategy around it. 

Why was it going to happen with or without police intervention? 
 

that makes no sense. That’s like saying the police shouldn’t intervene in anything and just let the crime happen and deal with the aftermath. 

they could and should have stopped it. 

Wrexham seem to think it was a prearranged scrap with Bolton? Have I missed something?

http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/115778-wrexham-top-10-uk-trends-evening-5.html

 

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Why was it going to happen with or without police intervention? 
 

that makes no sense. That’s like saying the police shouldn’t intervene in anything and just let the crime happen and deal with the aftermath. 

they could and should have stopped it. 

Because the protestors were hell-bent on bringing it down. Even if they could've prevented it from happening, they couldn't have prevented it happening without the statue being damaged so it's something of a moot point.

It's not that the police should never intervene if a crime is being committed, it's just a matter of assessing the risk and weighing the possible benefits with the possible negative consequences of intervening in events of this nature. In this instance, the police, probably correctly, determined that if they had intervened, the situation would likely have escalated into a physical confrontation with people getting injured, all for little or no conceivable benefit.

Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Because the protestors were hell-bent on bringing it down. Even if they could've prevented it from happening, they couldn't have prevented it happening without the statue being damaged so it's something of a moot point.

It's not that the police should never intervene if a crime is being committed, it's just a matter of assessing the risk and weighing the possible benefits with the possible negative consequences of intervening in events of this nature. In this instance, the police, probably correctly, determined that if they had intervened, the situation would likely have escalated into a physical confrontation with people getting injured, all for little or no conceivable benefit.

But the benefit is that it could have been stopped and not glorified. I believe the police were a shambles. 
 

Anyway we aren’t going to agree so it is what it is. 

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Wrexham seem to think it was a prearranged scrap with Bolton? Have I missed something?

http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/wrexham/115778-wrexham-top-10-uk-trends-evening-5.html

 

Some seem a bit upset that something has gone on.

Still non none the wiser as to what though.

Bollocks to it.

Fuck me the dust has settled - that was grim. Seems to happen 5 years or so like clockwork in this country. Shit to see this kind of crap rising up to the surface again 

There was clearly more to the FLAs and TRs protest than protecting statues like they said and I would say the percentage of their boys looking to cause trouble was higher than the percentage of the BLM protesters looking to cause trouble last week. That became evident when so many of them were looking to leave the square and fighting with the police to get out. Many of them didn't even attend the square and went out kicking off. 

The BLM Movement clearly triggers a lot of folk in this country. You know you've got a problem when the most liked comment in the Daily Mail today is "shame that those protecting our freedom are getting labelled as far-right" - If we're living in a country where many think the likes of those we saw yesterday are protecting our freedom then we've got some serious shit to work on. Counter protests in Bristol were called 'All Lives Matter' - you don't get much more ignorant than that. Then you've got hundreds in Newcastle who went out to protect statues against a BLM protest that made it clear they had no intent to damage - nor did they damage anything last week. Yet people of colour had smokebombs and bottles thrown at them whilst huge numbers in the crown chatted all lives matter and white lives matter - These aren't the actions of a handful of lads and If that's not racism then fuck me I don't know what is. 

Make what you want about the BLM movement - many who protest under its banner won't even subscribe to their views. More they just want to show solidarity with the US or highlight systemic racism here - They have a right to protest about that without being accused of discriminating against white people and they shouldn't be made responsible for the actions of a minority last week. 

Underlining issue is this country is becoming more unequal and more divided. You've got white working class communities suffering in their own way who clearly get triggered by things like Black Lives Matter and see it as an attack on them. It's ignorant as fuck but understanding what underlines the ignorance is the only way we're going to solve this.  I can't see the Eton brigade doing much about that but I would love them to prove me wrong.

Edited June 14, 20206 yr by London Wanderer

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Fuck me the dust has settled - that was grim. Seems to happen 5 years or so like clockwork in this country. Shit to see this kind of crap rising up to the surface again 

There was clearly more to the FLAs and TRs protest than protecting statues like they said and I would say the percentage of their boys looking to cause trouble was higher than the percentage of the BLM protesters looking to cause trouble last week. That became evident when so many of them were looking to leave the square and fighting with the police to get out. Many of them didn't even attend the square and went out kicking off. The vast majority of BLM protesters (whilst they shouldn't have been out) were peaceful last week. 

The BLM Movement clearly triggers a lot of folk in this country. You know you've got a problem when the most liked comment in the Daily Mail today is "shame that those protecting our freedom are getting labelled as far-right" - If we're living in a country where many think the likes of those we saw yesterday are protecting our freedom then we've got some serious shit to work on. Counter protests in Bristol were called 'All Lives Matter' - you don't get much more ignorant than that. Then you've got hundreds in Newcastle who went out to protect statues against a BLM protest that made it clear they had no intent to damage - nor did they damage anything last week. Yet people of colour had smokebombs and bottles thrown at them whilst huge numbers in the crown chatted all lives matter and white lives matter - These aren't the actions of a handful of lads and If that's not racism then fuck me I don't know what is. 

Make what you want about the BLM movement - many who protest under its banner won't even subscribe to their views. More they just want to show solidarity with the US or highlight systemic racism here - They have a right to protest about that without being accused of discriminating against white people and they shouldn't be made responsible for the actions of a minority last week. 

Underlining issue is this country is becoming more unequal and more divided. You've got white working class communities suffering in their own way who clearly get triggered by things like Black Lives Matter and see it as an attack on them. It's ignorant as fuck but understanding what underlines the ignorance is the only way we're going to solve this. 

You conveniently miss out those who are nothing to do with the BLM movement of which I believe there were hundreds into thousands yesterday and last week, who were last week and this week intent on causing destruction and Violence 

can I ask why that is yet your first calling out of any group is those you affiliate to FLA and TR yet you don’t mention the others whatsoever? My understanding from people who are involved in the BLM movement that I found myself reading articles from earlier today don’t associate any of the trouble causers with the BLM movement. Be them white or black. And they also agree that last week there were hundreds of people intent on violence and destruction.  But there is a clear separation in their minds which I have to agree with. We both will have seen and know people who attended the Edinburgh event yesterday and last Sunday. It was peaceful. The BLM movement is peaceful. 
 

You’re obviously passionate about this topic and many others yet on this topic you have a very lopsided recollection and reporting of matters. 
 

It isn’t just you don’t get me wrong. many, many people in various positions have honed in on one group whilst forgetting the highly disturbing images of those “Masses”’from last week and yesterday who did the same if not arguably worse  

just wondered if there was a reason?

 

TIA

Edited June 14, 20206 yr by Escobarp

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

You conveniently miss out those who are nothing to do with the BLM movement of which I believe there were hundreds into thousands yesterday and last week, who were last week and this week intent on causing destruction and Violence 

can I ask why that is yet your first calling out of any group is those you affiliate to FLA and TR yet you don’t mention the others whatsoever? My understanding from people who are involved in the BLM movement that I found myself reading articles from earlier today don’t associate any of the trouble causers with the BLM movement. Be them white or black. And they also agree that last week there were hundreds of people intent on violence and destruction.  But there is a clear separation in their minds which I have to agree with. We both will have seen and know people who attended the Edinburgh event yesterday and last Sunday. It was peaceful. The BLM movement is peaceful. 
 

You’re obviously passionate about this topic and many others yet on this topic you have a very lopsided recollection and reporting of matters. 
 

It isn’t just you don’t get me wrong. many, many people in various positions have honed in on one group whilst forgetting the highly disturbing images of those “Masses”’from last week and yesterday who did the same if not arguably worse  

just wondered if there was a reason?

 

TIA

I don't conveniently miss them out - nor have my posts forgot those images from last week. My posts are long enough without needing to cover everything - especially if I've already talked about them and condemned them.

From converstations we've had these past couple of weeks I have openly condemned those people involved in violence and many on the left who have been trying to 'outwoke' each other in their support of BLM movement. I agree that some white people on the left have tried to hijack the cause. Today though I am talking about what happened yesterday and why they openly targetted the BLM movement when they said this was about statues. I also didn't just call out the FLA and TR protest - I also called out the All Lives Matter protests in both Newcastle and Bristol. In some cases - these were whole protests organised to antagonise peaceful protesters under highly ignorant banners. 


I'm glad we can agree that BLM is peaceful movement. I've been chatting to an ex collegue from Newcastle on WhatsApp this morning. I did my teacher training year there and ended up on placement at her school. She teaches in a white working class community and is one of the best teachers I know. She works her fucking arse off for the kids and families she supports. She's also black and thinks we still have problems with systemic racism in this country and in the US. So she went to a BLM protest yesterday that openly said it was peaceful and was not going to damage any public property. Yet hunderds of counter protesters chanted 'White Lives Matter' and she had a bottle and smoke bomb thrown at her. She said she saw one of the dad's of  a kid she teaches on the other side chanting white lives matter. Where the fuck do you start with that level of ignorance? Whilst it was wrong to topple the Colston statue and folk should be prosecuted - I don't put it in the same bracket as some of the scenes we saw yesterday. 

Racism is well and truly alive in the UK & it should be okay to say that without being accused of double standards. 

Edited June 14, 20206 yr by London Wanderer

Of course racism exists. Like a lot of prejudice in the world that exist. Racism exists in scotland against the English as you will know 

 

and anyone disrupting a peaceful protest with violent intentions deserves everything they get. That goes without saying. 
 

Finally I wasn’t talking about colstons statue. I Was talking about persistent acts of violence last week and this perpetrated by people associating with the BLM movement (who aren’t they are just their for trouble). I can send you some videos of some despicable acts if you wish, one where an old bloke got pummeled by 3 youths? but there  are plenty to be found on twitter. Usually followed by comments or a joke about nazis etc. because it’s deemed acceptable behavior and racism only exists one way according to some. We all know That’s not true . 

All my leftie mates are up in arms about the terrible scenes ignorance and violence yesterday. Especially the lack of social distancing whilst in the pandemic. 
All my rightie mates were in arms about the terrible scenes ignorance and violence last week. Especially the lack of social distance whilst in the pandemic. 
 

The blinkered views and divides are so obvious yet each side do it without a sign of noting the irony. There is an unbelievable lack of self awareness on both sides. It really as if neither side sees fault in themselves. The most you get from either side is ‘ahh they were worse’ or ‘they started it’  

24 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Of course racism exists. Like a lot of prejudice in the world that exist. Racism exists in scotland against the English as you will know 

 

and anyone disrupting a peaceful protest with violent intentions deserves everything they get. That goes without saying. 
 

Finally I wasn’t talking about colstons statue. I Was talking about persistent acts of violence last week and this perpetrated by people associating with the BLM movement (who aren’t they are just their for trouble). I can send you some videos of some despicable acts if you wish, one where an old bloke got pummeled by 3 youths? but there  are plenty to be found on twitter. Usually followed by comments or a joke about nazis etc. because it’s deemed acceptable behavior and racism only exists one way according to some. We all know That’s not true . 

Mate - I'm not trying to deny that despicable acts of violence have happened on both sides. I have seen plenty of the videos of which you speak. The Football Lads Alliance heading to London in their droves was always going to end badly - And the vandalism and riot last weekend was always going to provoke ignorant responses. Fair play to the BLM movement for urging anyone planning on protesting to stay home. Unfortunately - many of the London youth decided to go out and get involved. We all predicted that would happen. I agree racism manifests itself on both sides bud - but I don't compare the one 'English cunt' comment I've recieved up here to the experiences of many people of colour across the UK.

 A large and significant proportion of this country get seriously triggered by the BLM movement. This was clearly evident yesterday. 

I was trying to ask the question as to why thousands of protesters around the UK targetted a peaceful BLM movement when they said they were protecting statues. But instead I'm going in circles with you  

I'll stay positive on this one though. Yes some trouble has been caused and it's depressing but the BLM movement has much to be proud of in my eyes. Whilst some of it has gone too far - eg - Faulty Towers and the like. There have been some really positive steps. In Scotland we have said that colonial history education is going to be added to the curriculum. People are having conversations about systemic and institionalised racism in education and the prison system. BLM may have been accused of being over confrontational and piss people off - but they're creating a dialogue for meaningful change. It won't happen overnight and we'll go backwards at times I'm sure - but fair play to them. 

Not sure what the counter protests have achieved. Churchill is safe ✌️ 

Edited June 14, 20206 yr by London Wanderer

No lives matter, everyone should burn equally

40 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

was trying to ask the question as to why thousands of protesters around the UK targetted a peaceful BLM movement when they said they were protecting statues. But instead I'm going in circles with you  

Why would I know? Was I one of them? 

Lovely outside lads

11 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Lovely outside lads

Gloomy here but 11.7 miles walk covered today pal 

couple of hours of mental gymnastics now and being called a racist and then home made steak pie for tea and the golf. Lovely day 

 

forgot lectured and patronized by the all seeing intellectual group on here 

Edited June 14, 20206 yr by Escobarp

4 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Because the protestors were hell-bent on bringing it down. Even if they could've prevented it from happening, they couldn't have prevented it happening without the statue being damaged so it's something of a moot point.

It's not that the police should never intervene if a crime is being committed, it's just a matter of assessing the risk and weighing the possible benefits with the possible negative consequences of intervening in events of this nature. In this instance, the police, probably correctly, determined that if they had intervened, the situation would likely have escalated into a physical confrontation with people getting injured, all for little or no conceivable benefit.

Just take to the knee then maybe & let them crack on? If you were getting a kicking of a mob & a couple of coppers saw it but thought it would cause more trouble to step in would you think that was good policing? 

22 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Flags and Crack

🌞

Is this the answer to 

“what 2 items did all the Lonsdale sporting fuckwits make sure they had for their protest yesterday?”

28 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Gloomy here but 11.7 miles walk covered today pal 

couple of hours of mental gymnastics now and being called a racist and then home made steak pie for tea and the golf. Lovely day 

 

forgot lectured and patronized by the all seeing intellectual group on here 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

5 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Show me who I’ve called a racist?

and who I’ve patronized. I will wait. 
 

I disagreed yesterday when you were called a prick now I see 

In fact don’t bother

Rudy, we need boobies

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Rudy, we need boobies

Plenty of tits on here already pal 

It’s time for me to “tap out” and leave this site to the left wing bullies (ineffective even at that tbf) 

 

 

 

like fuck 👍🏼

13 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Rudy, we need boobies

Can never wear out this 'joke'...