Multiple stabbing MCr

[Guest]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

“In my view” but in your previous comment you said this is “simply not true”

So basically it’s your opinion. No one said everybody with MH problems is a murderer. However if you can go out there and kill someone for no reason in cold blood then you have problems. And dan off a football forum won’t be convincing me otherwise.

Academic research shows that many people committing serious and violent crimes don't have a MH disorder that can be diagnosed.

So that wasn't opinion. Its why I said "diagnosable". 

[MickyD]

6 hours ago, MickyD said:

Where do you draw the line between evil fucker (Ronnie and Reggie Kray, Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Ian Huntley, Fred & Rose West, etc.) and folk suffering real mental illness? 

 

Since I wrote this, only bwfcfanny5 has answered in a way that almost said "How dare you ask that question?" Plenty have understood my question and concede that to be so evil, you must be somewhere on the mental health spectrum. 

 

6 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Clinical diagnosis of a mental health condition. I mean its not like they just decide "must be a bit mental" is it?

So I'll ask again, this time could you opine without sounding as though you've dismissed the question as though i'm a prick for asking, 

What is the difference between the evil folk I listed and someone hiding behind the fashionable term, mental health issues

I know that a diagnosis is required but this seems to be a modern intervention which wasn't afforded to the killers listed. So my answer to your question is yes, someone DOES decide that someone is mental.

[frank_spencer]

Psychopaths and sociopaths are both 'mentally ill' but their condition means that they are aware of the consequences of their actions. This means they are criminals if they commit crimes rather than nutters.

As well as being prone to crime their condition also makes them excellent business bods as their lack of conscience means they are cold and calculated when making decisions

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

I suppose it depends on what you mean by mental health

Maybe what it means to me isn't the medical definition

Is the correct answer

When the eldest worked in the psych unit at The Priory they often received patients for review who had committed horrible crimes. Most were not “mentally ill” in the strictest sense of the definition. Some were psychotic but most weren’t 

According to her, most of those committing the worst crimes, had a history of abuse, be it sexual, violence or drugs

The other thing to think about as well, is that people with “mental illness” rarely plan. They react to their current situation and condition. Those committing “atrocities”, be it multiple or single killings, or attempts at either, have usually planned it all out

Brady and Hindley, Fred and Rose West. All planned

[Breightmet Boy]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Millions? Where they keeping him? The Ritz?

I bet there’s not much difference in price, that shithouse who killed Lee Rigby is costing the taxpayer a fortune for being a prick

[mickbrown]

2 minutes ago, Breightmet Boy said:

I bet there’s not much difference in price, that shithouse who killed Lee Rigby is costing the taxpayer a fortune for being a prick

And the alternative?

[Rudy]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And the alternative?

My problem with that case is when he did it he was caught with the knife, recorded on a phone asked to be recorded, admitted on the film that he had done it, then pleaded not guilty so he then got a trial which would have cost him the taxpayer that didn’t sit right with me. 

[miamiwhite]

2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I agree with "not right in the head" but that's applying our own moral and ethical judgement rather than necessarily having a diagnosable or real mental health condition. 

Many people with mental health conditions would never murder anyone.

Some people without one do. 

Its not clear cut. No doubt those people capable of performing such horrific acts are "different" in some way. But it could be considerably deeper than mental health - in my view. 

That’s actually quite a racist slant by you fella.

You could well be implying these horrific acts are “different” as they’re following instructions from somebody.......which is obviously deeper than mental health.

 

Apologies if folk think I’m hijacking a thread with a different agenda.....but there’s certainly a lot of certain attacks turned into mental health cases conveniently.....the twat at Manchester Victoria at New Year is a recent example, so called mental health, yet he was fully aware of which people he was targeting and whose instructions he was following.....that is premeditated in my humble opinion.

Maybe the medical authorities know full well that some, shall I say “religious” prick, who wants to commit atrocities is clearly away with the fairies...?

Let’s be honest....anyway spouting the guff these days what they got told centuries away, would be locked up indefinitely in K2.....and that applies to all races and religions.

[miamiwhite]

18 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And the alternative?

Cunts like that should be executed.

Absolute crystal clear case of guilty.

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Cunts like that should be executed.

Absolute crystal clear case of guilty.

More expensive than locking them up. 

Fact with a big fat shiny cherry on top. 

[miamiwhite]

Just now, mickbrown said:

More expensive than locking them up. 

Fact with a big fat shiny cherry on top. 

A quick topping is more expensive than life behind bars ?

Please show me and everyone else your accounts for this.

I will be auditing intensely.

[MickyD]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

More expensive than locking them up. 

Fact with a big fat shiny cherry on top. 

Depends on how long you allow them to be kept whilst they run out of appeals.

 

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Depends on how long you allow them to be kept whilst they run out of appeals.

 

Exactly.

Twats like him, not Mick Brown I may add, but Lee Rigby’s murderer, shouldn’t be allowed a single appeal, due to the evidence and it being premeditated.

That twat just wanted pure maximum publicity for his “cause”

Too many legal teams making a killing excuse the pun for defending the totally indefensible.

Edited October 14, 2019 by miamiwhite

[Breightmet Boy]

37 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And the alternative?

Going missing, never to be seen again

[mickbrown]

39 minutes ago, Breightmet Boy said:

Going missing, never to be seen again

We’re better than that. That’s what set us apart from arseholes

[mickbrown]

55 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

A quick topping is more expensive than life behind bars ?

Please show me and everyone else your accounts for this.

I will be auditing intensely.

But there ain’t ever a quick topping. It’d end up like the states. 20 years on death row, 20 years of appeal and counter appeal. 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

We’re better than that. That’s what set us apart from arseholes

Oh right, that’s ok then......let’s just let the arseholes come and slit our throats as they know they’ll get an easy ride.

Utter shite.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

57 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

That’s actually quite a racist slant by you fella.

You could well be implying these horrific acts are “different” as they’re following instructions from somebody.......which is obviously deeper than mental health.

 

Apologies if folk think I’m hijacking a thread with a different agenda.....but there’s certainly a lot of certain attacks turned into mental health cases conveniently.....the twat at Manchester Victoria at New Year is a recent example, so called mental health, yet he was fully aware of which people he was targeting and whose instructions he was following.....that is premeditated in my humble opinion.

Maybe the medical authorities know full well that some, shall I say “religious” prick, who wants to commit atrocities is clearly away with the fairies...?

Let’s be honest....anyway spouting the guff these days what they got told centuries away, would be locked up indefinitely in K2.....and that applies to all races and religions.

Interesting one this. Someone who has been subject to abuse, indoctrination, brainwashing etc, for want of a better description has had the brain artificially wired, away from conventional norms of a functioning decent society.

That may represent a mental abnormality, and I suppose it's treatable in some cases.

That in itself isn't and should never be a defence from their actions, and they still need locking up for a long, long time.

[miamiwhite]

Just now, mickbrown said:

But there ain’t ever a quick topping. It’d end up like the states. 20 years on death row, 20 years of appeal and counter appeal. 

We aren’t the States and that’s why as I mentioned there shouldn’t be appeals for those cunts like Lee Rigby’s killers when it’s clearly premeditated and beyond doubt.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

We’re better than that. That’s what set us apart from arseholes

Morally, you're right, but it does get bloody difficult to continually justify it with some of these terrorists.

The Americans grabbed a couple of the beetles (or is it Beatles) before turkey started the other day.

To be honest, I reckon few of us would lose any sleep if they happened to be dropped from 30000 feet over the Atlantic.

[mickbrown]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Oh right, that’s ok then......let’s just let the arseholes come and slit our throats as they know they’ll get an easy ride.

Utter shite.

Life in prison ain’t an easy ride I’d imagine

In fact, I’d rather be topped than spend 40 years inside. 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Life in prison ain’t an easy ride I’d imagine

In fact, I’d rather be topped than spend 40 years inside. 

Bob round to mine and I’ll grant your wish tonight son

 

[mickbrown]

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

We aren’t the States and that’s why as I mentioned there shouldn’t be appeals for those cunts like Lee Rigby’s killers when it’s clearly premeditated and beyond doubt.

Like I’ve said before, if you want to argue introducing the death penalty as revenge or punishment then you’d have a case

If you’re doing it on a cost basis, you ain’t  

 

[miamiwhite]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Like I’ve said before, if you want to argue introducing the death penalty as revenge or punishment then you’d have a case

If you’re doing it on a cost basis, you ain’t  

 

And that’s why on crystal cut cases which are premeditated and guilt without doubt such as Lee Rigby’s killers then immediate execution is the answer. Fuck the human rights, fuck the appeals lining the fat solicitors fat pockets....off with their head.

On another note, nice to see that nonce get his Karma in the nick today.

[royal white]

27 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Like I’ve said before, if you want to argue introducing the death penalty as revenge or punishment then you’d have a case

If you’re doing it on a cost basis, you ain’t  

 

I’m assuming you’re just guessing at a cost or maybe you’re comparing with America?