desperado Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Escobarp said: But the r rate at the moment is what? I’ll be honest I don’t know. But whether it is or isn’t, it talks about wanting to keep the R rate below 1 Quote
Escobarp Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, desperado said: I’ll be honest I don’t know. But whether it is or isn’t, it talks about wanting to keep the R rate below 1 Absolutely we need to. I think it’s over 1 right now it has to be. So there is even more reason to shut the schools for a bit if that’s the case. IMO Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, desperado said: I’ll be honest I don’t know. But whether it is or isn’t, it talks about wanting to keep the R rate below 1 I don’t see any chance of the R rate being below 1 anywhere if schools open and with a new strain spreading much quicker than the old one. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 The R rate is over 1. The new strain increases it quite significantly too. Quote
Escobarp Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 1.1-1.3 on 23rd Dec. case numbers are well up since then plus we won’t have seen the effects of Xmas flexing and rule breaking. wrong to assume It will be higher today? Quote
Casino Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Ive just spoken to bozo and hancock They said theres ages yet before monday Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Are the scientists saying close all schools around the country? I don’t think so Are the Unions? Yes its political https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-uk-government-scientists-close-schools-january-boris-johnson/amp/ Called for on a national level. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Casino said: Ive just spoken to bozo and hancock They said theres ages yet before monday Depends which Monday. Quote
stevieb Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, desperado said: That’s really harsh and I hope it’s just an emotional response based on your personal circumstances, in which I wish you and your wife all the best and having our children back in school would help us all It is an emotional response to my circumstances yes and was more aimed at the unions rather than any specific teacher or owt. We've a 7 year old and 3 year old. Absolutely impossible to homeschool with the 3 year old in the house. Would be more manageable if childcare for the little en remains open. Quote
desperado Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, stevieb said: It is an emotional response to my circumstances yes and was more aimed at the unions rather than any specific teacher or owt. We've a 7 year old and 3 year old. Absolutely impossible to homeschool with the 3 year old in the house. Would be more manageable if childcare for the little en remains open. Completely understand. It’s not only the virus, but equally the repercussions of this bastard that are reaping havoc. I can only hope we are talking weeks in terms of the harshest restrictions and then months in terms of seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. It’s these positives we have to hang our hope on. Again all the best to you, your wife and family Edited January 2, 2021 by desperado Quote
Spider Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 9pm presser tomorrow Boris will come up with something over port and cigars at tea time Quote
only1swanny Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I've read it below. I think you're dead right- its what I was saying about you not being able to do everything- its bloody impossible and unfair. Unfortunately, It's a sign of the society we have: a sense of entitlement and not enough self responsibility. The world is facing a shitty situation, but so many crack on as if it is entirely someone else's responsibility to provide the perfect life for them. Loads of help and flexibility from the education system, but at the same time too many kids not doing their bit. Whether that's a reflection of the parents or whatever doesn't matter. You can only be expected to go so far; if kids don't put the effort in they shouldn't be mollycoddled and excused so much. Allowances may be made in grading etc (like last year) and that's good, but its a 2 way street; if folk want something they have to be prepared to put some effort in. Trust me that's not the half of it. Parents still see us as a baby sitting service, there are parts of the school that I dread going to due to behaviour 8's and 10's particular. I've had a ticking off a few weeks ago for giving too many detentions, I'm ready to leave as i've had enough of everything going on. We've also pretty much lost breaks and half of dinner as the kids stay inside, so pretty much in the classrooms with only a small staffroom, you have to have your dinner in the corridors and inevitably either dealing with issues, or telling kids to follow covid rules. There are few consequences for not following rules, which is a major factor in making it unsafe. Quote
London Wanderer Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Trust me that's not the half of it. Parents still see us as a baby sitting service, there are parts of the school that I dread going to due to behaviour 8's and 10's particular. I've had a ticking off a few weeks ago for giving too many detentions, I'm ready to leave as i've had enough of everything going on. We've also pretty much lost breaks and half of dinner as the kids stay inside, so pretty much in the classrooms with only a small staffroom, you have to have your dinner in the corridors and inevitably either dealing with issues, or telling kids to follow covid rules. There are few consequences for not following rules, which is a major factor in making it unsafe. Sounds awful fella. Hope it improves for you & you're able to stick with it. Quote
only1swanny Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Sounds awful fella. Hope it improves for you & you're able to stick with it. Currently looking on indeed at other careers. Thing is I'm shit hot at leather repair and carpet cleaning which I do part time, just not guaranteed income and risky. Quote
only1swanny Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Schools and Colleges have a responsibility of protecting their staff and Students, and that is what the Unions are stating, its fucking madness, Teachers and school staff are being thrown under a bus here, Gavin Williamson the weak out of his depth cunt needs to grow a pair. I know it's difficult for those who need their kids in education for them to go to work, but it needs a full lockdown, this tier shite isn't working. And I've become sceptical of mask now with these figures, fuck all as worked, I'd give it one big 8 week full lockdown, and if that don't work, we get back to normal and live with the fucking thing. Hopefully the elderly and vulnerable will be well on their way to being vaccinated and the nhs will be clear to function as an nhs. Mrs Swanny caught Covid from an asympomatic nurse who was wearing a non medical grade (as in just a basic mask) mask on the ward.. That's in a clinical setting, a school with kids have no chance. Can't get kids to underline the title, never mind follow complex safety rules. Quote
Duck Egg Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 Teaching strikes me as a thankless task. A bit like managing a football side. When everything's going well, no one says a word as its expected. When things are going badly, half the country are suddenly experts on the job. It's no wonder folk are leaving the profession in droves. Quote
mickbrown Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 31 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Currently looking on indeed at other careers. Thing is I'm shit hot at leather repair and carpet cleaning which I do part time, just not guaranteed income and risky. Get the fuck out while you can. Teachers are scum, you've been on here long enough to know that by now. Quote
only1swanny Posted January 2, 2021 Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Get the fuck out while you can. Teachers are scum, you've been on here long enough to know that by now. its the set wage and pension that's keeping me doing it, absolutely love teaching, but everythings working against me, given it a good shot, earnt a fair bit from it, Quote
tyldesley_white Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, only1swanny said: its the set wage and pension that's keeping me doing it, absolutely love teaching, but everythings working against me, given it a good shot, earnt a fair bit from it, look at teaching aboard ... maybe? Quote
only1swanny Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 5 hours ago, tyldesley_white said: look at teaching aboard ... maybe? Mrs Swanny is a teacher with a job she loves, and kids are settled, not something that appeals to me tbh. I think even if I were a single bloke it still wouldn't. It would be great if the Unions could agree, both the major teaching unions state it's not safe. NEU (normally NUT) have said that teachers need to fill in a form (something something 44) that states they do not feel safe and can stay away from work.. NEU were always known for being more militaristic in their approach. NASUWT (my union although I joined ATL and they merged). Have sent a letter to Gavin Gavin Williamson asking him to consider closing all schools. However they have stayed not to follow the NEU action as your school can sack you and you have to retrospectively appeal it and prove that it wasnt safe. So ones saying stay off, the other stay in. There is no chance if striking. To strike you need enough people asking for a ballot, then 2 weeks notice, 2 weeks for postal ballot and then if 40% of half the members do vote, they need 2 weeks notice before voting... so it would be about March before a strike could be actioned.. plus teachers don't actually want to strike.. Personally I think it's the right course atm, year 11s are back in next week but they are fairly sensible in my school. Primary are in much smaller bubbles. However we are in this situation having had schools shut for 2 weeks, all the new cases will have caught it after schools have closed.. so if they reopen the numbers will sky rocket considerably. Quote
Guest Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 Burnham not stating his position until a news conference later Will he side with reality, children and parents or the Unions? Quote
Traf Posted January 3, 2021 Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) There's no "right" answer here is there? Kids (IMO) shouldn't be in school because that will help to slow the spread of the disease until we're all vaccinated. But kids should be in school (IMO) so that parents can go to work and try to keep the economy just about alive. |They should also be in school, because many of them struggle with remote learning and then there's also the mental health issue about kids not seeing their friends. My grandson (turned 7 on Xmas Day) emigrated to Australia the first week of September, which itself isn't an issue, but he was told one March morning that he wasn't going to school that day and never went back in, never saw his schoolfriends, teachers etc. I know that these aren't reasons to keep schools open as such, but it does show why it's not a simple decision. Edited January 24, 2021 by Traf Quote
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