Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

7 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

Is it enough to get us off the naughty step?

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

interesting website - looks like its got some good, no bullshit, no politics info on it -  Naseem Nicholas Taleb is a clever chap

14 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

Is it enough to get us off the naughty step?

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

 

I like Bhutan's sandcastle approach. Can we do that?

ONS have released the results of their initial survey of cases in the community. They think around 148,000 are currently infected in England. That doesn't include people in hospitals/care homes, but does include people that work in those settings (who, unsurprisingly, have a far higher chance of catching it).

They found no evidence in their survey that kids were any less likely to catch it than adults.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Your response suggest what i implied. You called Boris a liar, the left calling out the right and vice-versa.

I see where you are coming from but honestly, Boris is a confirmed liar.  He has a track record as long as both his arms. 

3 hours ago, Horwich said:

This fella fancies a bit more time off. Sack him.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-primary-headteacher-writes-to-parents-saying-social-distancing-at-school-impossible-11988012

He's not wrong ..

It is impossible. 

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

The smell of the coffee is finally waking people up. As I predicted more will die from poverty caused by lockdown than Covid. And each day it gets worse 

Were you this vocal about poverty under austerity?

31 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

interesting website - looks like its got some good, no bullshit, no politics info on it -  Naseem Nicholas Taleb is a clever chap

Look at the countries we're lumped in with.

That's Boris's apparent success?

Aye, great work lads.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I like Bhutan's sandcastle approach. Can we do that?

ONS have released the results of their initial survey of cases in the community. They think around 148,000 are currently infected in England. That doesn't include people in hospitals/care homes, but does include people that work in those settings (who, unsurprisingly, have a far higher chance of catching it).

They found no evidence in their survey that kids were any less likely to catch it than adults.

NHS England have also released the list of pre existing conditions in those who have died - some are surprising - figures don't add up to 100%, because some patients have more than one.

Received treatment for mental health condition 4%

Learning disability or autism  2%

Asthma 7%

Rheumatic disorder  3%

Chronic Kidney Disease 14%

Chronic Neurological Disorder 3%

Chronic Pulmonary Disease 15%

Dementia  18%

Diabetes 26%

Heart Disease 10%

Other 70%

 

Thery're classing learning disability,  treatment for depression and chuffing arthritis as a pre-existing condition

I want to know what the 70% other is - I hope its not, but suspect it's going to include things like migraine, dermatitis, IBS

 

17 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Were you this vocal about poverty under austerity?

Absolute  chalk and cheese and an utterly ridiculous comparison to make.
 

And honestly , if you think the two are even in the same ballpark you are very misguided and I would be very concerned

if you can’t see this then I would hold on to your hat tighter than most as you won’t like what’s coming down the track. 
 

 

Edited May 14, 20206 yr by Escobarp

14 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Absolute  chalk and cheese and an utterly ridiculous comparison to make.
 

And honestly , if you think the two are even in the same ballpark you are very misguided and I would be very concerned

if you can’t see this then I would hold on to your hat tighter than most as you won’t like what’s coming down the track. 
 

 

Austerity has caused an increase in poverty and an increase in deaths.  

And I'll be fine mate, don't you worry about me.

14 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Look at the countries we're lumped in with.

That's Boris's apparent success?

Aye, great work lads.

 

 

The graphs are a bit tough on countries like UK  and US where testing has recently ramped up massively .

There's loads of countries in Orange and Green that have done much less testing per population than UK and US has over the last 2 weeks 

Italy for example are doing way less than us now, in numbers and in tests per population, so are going to get lower positive test now than us - however a month ago they were doing more than us , so would have found higher numbers than us - I wouldn't go off the graphs - they're distorted a bit. 

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Austerity has caused an increase in poverty and an increase in deaths.  

And I'll be fine mate, don't you worry about me.

I’m not worried about you. Far from it. I worry about myself and my family. Haven’t got time to worry about some known head off a football forum 

austerity has caused an increase in poverty in deaths with austerity being a necessity of the aftermath of the global financial crash so I fail to see why people don’t really refer to it as such but I guess I do know the reason why, because it wouldn’t fit the tory bashing rhetoric. 
 

anyway as I said. If you think the poverty and deaths caused By the aftermath of the global financial crash is the same as what’s coming our way then you continue in your little flowery bubble. But it’s delusional to the extreme. 
 

I will also be absolutely fine I imagine fortunately. But i know members of my family that won’t be and who will suffer greatly once this grips. So it will be my aim to make it as painless as I can for them If possible 

Just now, peelyfeet said:

The graphs are a bit tough on countries like UK  and US where testing has recently ramped up massively .

There's loads of countries in Orange and Green that have done much less testing per population than UK and US has over the last 2 weeks 

Italy for example are doing way less than us now, in numbers and in tests per population, so are going to get lower positive test now than us - however a month ago they were doing more than us , so would have found higher numbers than us - I wouldn't go off the graphs - they're distorted a bit. 

Stop the factual reasoned approach peely

its the Tories fault. When will you learn 

4 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Haha, very predictable. Miami will be posting it as a fact later.

Read the letter sent from Johnson to Starmer re yesterday , that's a fact to stick up your know it all arse 🤭

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m not worried about you. Far from it. I worry about myself and my family. Haven’t got time to worry about some known head off a football forum 

austerity has caused an increase in poverty in deaths with austerity being a necessity of the aftermath of the global financial crash so I fail to see why people don’t really refer to it as such but I guess I do know the reason why, because it wouldn’t fit the tory bashing rhetoric. 
 

anyway as I said. If you think the poverty and deaths caused By the aftermath of the global financial crash is the same as what’s coming our way then you continue in your little flowery bubble. But it’s delusional to the extreme. 
 

I will also be absolutely fine I imagine fortunately. But i know members of my family that won’t be and who will suffer greatly once this grips. So it will be my aim to make it as painless as I can for them If possible 

Austerity was a choice. It really didn't need to be that way. They choose poverty and deaths.

Luckily my family will be fine too.

Hope you and yours get through this.

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Austerity was a choice. It really didn't need to be that way. They choose poverty and deaths.

Luckily my family will be fine too.

Hope you and yours get through this.

I disagree. I see it as a necessary evil. Sad but true. But we will never agree so let’s leave it there 

And likewise best wishes to you and yours 

Just now, Escobarp said:

I disagree. I see it as a necessary evil. Sad but true. But we will never agree so let’s leave it there 

And likewise best wishes to you and yours 

Fair enough.

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/over-25-of-the-uk-likely-to-have-had-covid-19-already/

8 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Austerity was a choice. It really didn't need to be that way. They choose poverty and deaths.

Luckily my family will be fine too.

Hope you and yours get through this.

I see your viewpoint, but it will be extremely tested over the next few years.

And.....we didn’t really have austerity 

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I disagree. I see it as a necessary evil. Sad but true. But we will never agree so let’s leave it there 

And likewise best wishes to you and yours 

 

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Fair enough.

christmas cards?

6 hours ago, deane koontz said:

A few Tory MPs have been nabbed this morning commenting on a doctored video from a far right account 

Caulfield has deleted her account now.

So much for political point scoring 😂

Edited May 14, 20206 yr by jmjhb

46 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

 

Other 70%

 

Thery're classing learning disability,  treatment for depression and chuffing arthritis as a pre-existing condition

I want to know what the 70% other is - I hope its not, but suspect it's going to include things like migraine, dermatitis, IBS

 

There's a lot of people living under dustbin diagnoses of IBS etc. Often taking PPI's for far too long whilst storing up trouble for themselves and eventually the NHS.

They can each be symptoms of an underlying condition, the latter particularly associated with auto immune conditions. They could in turn impair the bodies response or perhaps interfere with the regulation thereof?

There's an interesting study, tiny though, about how those presenting with digestive issues may be more likely to have an adverse outcome:

https://theconversation.com/worried-about-coronavirus-pay-attention-to-your-gut-137939

 

 

7 minutes ago, victor meldrew said:

 

christmas cards?

We're all just (k)nobheads on a football forum of a frankly fucking shite football team, going through a fucking strange time

No point making it worse by being unpleasant to each other is there?

19 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/over-25-of-the-uk-likely-to-have-had-covid-19-already/

That looks like Salford joining Team Oxford in the more people have had it camp.

meanwhile the Pasteur institute, who are actually testing rather than modelling say it's average of 5% in France and Spain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-immunity/only-44-of-french-population-infected-by-coronavirus-pasteur-institute-idUSKBN22Q0RS

i would rather have the testing than the modelling.

Edited May 14, 20206 yr by ProfessorWoland

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

We're all just (k)nobheads on a football forum of a frankly fucking shite football team, going through a fucking strange time

No point making it worse by being unpleasant to each other is there?

I’m back to agreeing with you again not sure I like this 😁

cunt 

37 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

There's a lot of people living under dustbin diagnoses of IBS etc. Often taking PPI's for far too long whilst storing up trouble for themselves and eventually the NHS.

They can each be symptoms of an underlying condition, the latter particularly associated with auto immune conditions. They could in turn impair the bodies response or perhaps interfere with the regulation thereof?

There's an interesting study, tiny though, about how those presenting with digestive issues may be more likely to have an adverse outcome:

https://theconversation.com/worried-about-coronavirus-pay-attention-to-your-gut-137939

 

 

Maybe - what I think the general public want to know is,  "If I have condition X - how much does that increase my chance of dying from covid if I catch it"

There's been a lot noise suggesting that its only the old and/or those with other conditions that are likely to die, and the lockdown sceptics are using this to argue that restrictions are pointless if you're healthy.

If the other conditions that make you more likely to die include for example,  IBS, learning difficulties,  previous depression, obesity, asthma, heart disease, migranes, cancer, alcoholism, diabetes, reflux, high blood pressure,  dementia, arthritis etc etc - that's a massive chunk of the population, and therefore it might make some sit up and take notice a bit better, and stop the lockdown sceptics a bit.

The ICNARC reports suggest that only 8% have very serious comorbidity - the other 92% who've died appeared to be getting on just fine. This doesn't take into account the care home deaths though, so really it will probably be much higher than 8% but even so I think it would be useful to find out how many of those classed as "having an underlying condition" had something that we wouldn't normally consider as  high risk

 

Edited May 14, 20206 yr by peelyfeet