Zico Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, desperado said: We’ve been told today nobody will be wearing any PPE. Gov.uk advice: “Wearing a face covering or face mask in schools or other education settings is not recommended. Face coverings may be beneficial for short periods indoors where there is a risk of close social contact with people you do not usually meet and where social distancing and other measures cannot be maintained, for example on public transport or in some shops. This does not apply to schools or other education settings. Schools and other education or childcare settings should therefore not require staff, children and learners to wear face coverings.“ That's almost like saying "you might be best off wearing a mask if you stand next to someone for five minutes, but if it's over a few hours don't worry about it, be reet" Quote
mickbrown Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Really? Private labs results not visible for local government? Then simply write down each day's results in an email and copy it to interested parties. Parties act accordingly. Where there's a will, there's a way. Ah. That’s what you meant. I thought you replying to my point about cost overruns on IT projects. Quote
Casino Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: 75-275? My point on the 75 is that its a small percentage of the number of 'educators' who have died in the period Not that every one of the 75 deaths isnt tragic for their loved ones Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Casino said: My point on the 75 is that its a small percentage of the number of 'educators' who have died in the period Not that every one of the 75 deaths isnt tragic for their loved ones 75 dead and schools been all but closed 6 weeks, reopen without PPE and teaching will be the source of the next spike. Edited May 13, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
ErnestTurnip Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Those death figures not including TAs or support workers is a big thing especially when you look at the figures in the other industries mentioned relating to women. Roughly speaking there were something like 250000 full time TAs alone in 2018 and that's not including support staff. I've not got the figures for how many of them were women but the role does tend to be filled by them. Add them into the mix and all of a sudden the deaths of women by Covid in education would probably start looking a bit more even in comparison to the other industries. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) I’m gonna tell my missus to quit rather than risk it for £900 a month, she’ll probably ignore me but at least I tried. Edited May 13, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
only1swanny Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: 75 dead and schools been all but closed 6 weeks, reopen without PPE and teaching will be the source of the next spike. Think the figures I used were last weeks, the ones on here were from early April, showing a slow down in cases.. so basically the bulk have been from when schools were open. "Don't use PPE and go in a classroom with 15 kids for 5 hours of the day".. is not going to end well.. That's not even the major point, the kids will carry it home, even of just one kid has it, and the whole process starts again.. I want to work, doesn't mean I think it's a good idea. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Think the figures I used were last weeks, the ones on here were from early April, showing a slow down in cases.. so basically the bulk have been from when schools were open. "Don't use PPE and go in a classroom with 15 kids for 5 hours of the day".. is not going to end well.. That's not even the major point, the kids will carry it home, even of just one kid has it, and the whole process starts again.. I want to work, doesn't mean I think it's a good idea. Evidence from my own eyes, suggests secondary age kids are amongst the worst for flouting the distancing rules. Groups of them all over. Must have been some spread amongst them whilst in lockdown. Quote
only1swanny Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Evidence from my own eyes, suggests secondary age kids are amongst the worst for flouting the distancing rules. Groups of them all over. Must have been some spread amongst them whilst in lockdown. Mine are 5 and 9..I know exactly where they have been.. That changes with teens. Not sure why so many are out of the house Quote
Cheese Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Mine are 5 and 9..I know exactly where they have been.. That changes with teens. Not sure why so many are out of the house Struggle to get our 14 year old down the stairs, never mind leave the house. Quote
stevieb Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Call me out for being dramatic but this is why we need to go back... If primary teachers decide to stay at home til September we are entering a massive massive depression. On the whole women will take the brunt and stay at home on reducing furlough until end of October. The main bread winner will carry on working. There may be women who earn more than men but statisically that isn't now. There'll be no out of school clubs for the summer holidays able to offer the government guidelines 'social distancing' if the school can't offer it in June. If they can it'll be out of the price range of the average Joe. That means women on furlough will be at home on reduced wages over summer. Potentially with the employer topping up wages to 80%. There's a good chance loads of women will be properly laid off at this point. August We then have leisure and tourism and loads of other industries 'going back' with restrictions at limited capacity, talking 30%. Loads more actual lay offs when this happens. Then you have households with significantly less money coming in and going out isn't a priority so therfore spending less on leisure etc. ... It's a fucking shit show if we can't save a semblance of the economy we had now we're fucked. Covid will kill less than poverty caused by this in the next ten years (despite us having the world's best rescue package). FACT But that's just me. Quote
Guest Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, stevieb said: Call me out for being dramatic but this is why we need to go back... If primary teachers decide to stay at home til September we are entering a massive massive depression. On the whole women will take the brunt and stay at home on reducing furlough until end of October. The main bread winner will carry on working. There may be women who earn more than men but statisically that isn't now. There'll be no out of school clubs for the summer holidays able to offer the government guidelines 'social distancing' if the school can't offer it in June. If they can it'll be out of the price range of the average Joe. That means women on furlough will be at home on reduced wages over summer. Potentially with the employer topping up wages to 80%. There's a good chance loads of women will be properly laid off at this point. August We then have leisure and tourism and loads of other industries 'going back' with restrictions at limited capacity, talking 30%. Loads more actual lay offs when this happens. Then you have households with significantly less money coming in and going out isn't a priority so therfore spending less on leisure etc. ... It's a fucking shit show if we can't save a semblance of the economy we had now we're fucked. Covid will kill less than poverty caused by this in the next ten years (despite us having the world's best rescue package). FACT But that's just me. Fair points Quote
stevieb Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Fair points Would like someone's view that goes against this. I earn about 25pc more than my Mrs. We've always worked but she's been thrown under the bus as a 50s house wife the last 8 weeks. Feminism has gone back 70 years in 12 weeks. Quote
Escobarp Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Fair points 28 minutes ago, stevieb said: Call me out for being dramatic but this is why we need to go back... If primary teachers decide to stay at home til September we are entering a massive massive depression. On the whole women will take the brunt and stay at home on reducing furlough until end of October. The main bread winner will carry on working. There may be women who earn more than men but statisically that isn't now. There'll be no out of school clubs for the summer holidays able to offer the government guidelines 'social distancing' if the school can't offer it in June. If they can it'll be out of the price range of the average Joe. That means women on furlough will be at home on reduced wages over summer. Potentially with the employer topping up wages to 80%. There's a good chance loads of women will be properly laid off at this point. August We then have leisure and tourism and loads of other industries 'going back' with restrictions at limited capacity, talking 30%. Loads more actual lay offs when this happens. Then you have households with significantly less money coming in and going out isn't a priority so therfore spending less on leisure etc. ... It's a fucking shit show if we can't save a semblance of the economy we had now we're fucked. Covid will kill less than poverty caused by this in the next ten years (despite us having the world's best rescue package). FACT But that's just me. I’ve been banging this drum for a while. The state our economy is in goes far Beyond anything we could ever have ever imagined seeing in our lifetimes. And it’s getting worse before it gets better. Much worse choppy waters ahead for a lot of people and some are totally oblivious to it. going to be a car crash. Quote
miamiwhite Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Tombwfc said: I don't write for the HSJ. By all means when conservativewoman.co.uk, endthelockdownnow.org or itsjustbadflu_billgatesiswatching.plandemic give their take, feel free to post it on here. As I've no doubt you will. Tom, what's your thoughts on Starmer, deliberately misleading Parliament today in the questions session v Boris Johnson ? I'm certain you and your little anti Boris gang on here would be all over it if Johnson was actually guilty of what Starmer claimed, but the silence is deafening from the left since it's been proven that Starmer is just a lying bounder. As I say, the silence from you and the Not so Magnificent Seven on here is shameful and speaks volumes. Quell Surprise. Quote
Roger_Dubuis Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 If teachers are the difference between there being a massive, massive depression and there not being one then offer a lot more money for teaching jobs. Quote
only1swanny Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: If teachers are the difference between there being a massive, massive depression and there not being one then offer a lot more money for teaching jobs. It's not the money.. The governments own advisors have admitted they haven't acesses the safety of it, it's being done for the economy and will resurge the virus. I'll be in a class with 30 teenagers tomorrow, thankfully it's a big room. Quote
mickbrown Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said: If teachers are the difference between there being a massive, massive depression and there not being one then offer a lot more money for teaching jobs. It's piss easy and all teachers are workshy fuckers only in it for the holidays, remember Quote
mickbrown Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Tom, what's your thoughts on Starmer, deliberately misleading Parliament today in the questions session v Boris Johnson ? I'm certain you and your little anti Boris gang on here would be all over it if Johnson was actually guilty of what Starmer claimed, but the silence is deafening from the left since it's been proven that Starmer is just a lying bounder. As I say, the silence from you and the Not so Magnificent Seven on here is shameful and speaks volumes. Quell Surprise. Go on then, I'll bite. Misled? How so? Quote
Farrelli Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, mickbrown said: Go on then, I'll bite. Misled? How so? I think Starmer has got them worried. The campaign of falsehoods has begun. They will be claiming he was entertaining the Taliban to a tea party at his house next🤣 Quote
mickbrown Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: I think Starmer has got them worried. The campaign of falsehoods has begun. They will be claiming he was entertaining the Taliban to a tea party at his house next🤣 He does make Boris look a bumbling whopper at PMQs. Quote
Spider Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Starmer is unsettling Boris. Definitely pwned him today About time labour showed some teeth Quote
Traf Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Starmer was very good. Boris' bumbling bullshit won't wash now. Quote
Tombwfc Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, stevieb said: Would like someone's view that goes against this. I earn about 25pc more than my Mrs. We've always worked but she's been thrown under the bus as a 50s house wife the last 8 weeks. Feminism has gone back 70 years in 12 weeks. I don't disagree with the broad points. I'd probably question the difference that a few weeks of schooling are going to make in the grand scheme of things. If you put groups of people together indoors with no distancing, the virus will spread. We know that. If the virus spreads, we go back into lockdown and everything in your post happens and more. There are solutions and strategies that I think (in time) can mitigate that spread, but just telling teachers to get their lazy arses back to work isn't one of them. Edited May 13, 2020 by Tombwfc Quote
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