Coronavirus

[Zico]

23 minutes ago, Spider said:

We can be really sensible if the rules are made clear and suitable punishments applied for breaking them.

We are in a situation that demands not only an arm round the shoulder, but some tough love too.

Yeah but that sounds like a country going into lockdown, not coming out of it

Im not sending mine back to nursery whilst there's a risk of her, her mates and her teachers spreading anything

And nursery teachers can't do their job properly with social distancing in place

Fucking nonsense

[Rudy]

3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Thermometer in Mouth or bum hole ?

Mouth. 
Cucumbers up the bum to cure it.

Do keep up.

[tyldesley_white]

6 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Thermometer in Mouth or bum hole ?

for school in the mouth, church it would be the bum hole

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Cucumbers to be lubed obviously  🥒💦

But not with Salad Cream

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

This is just in the spirit of the reasoned debate we often get here on WW, I'm not trying to be a dick with you.

- Hardly any kids have died from it.

Think we can all agree that's true.

Do we know whether that's because they've been kept apart ? They're going to be suddenly put into a situation of being in close proximity with a large group of others and we have seen healthy adults die due to being exposed to a lot of the virus over a prolonged time, will the kids be affected the same? Does the evidence from other countries tell us and if so is it consistent? One thing we don't know is how kids act spreading the virus, the links were posted up here yesterday.

 

- The mortality rate for the age groups covering most teachers is very low.

I've personally no idea about how the teaching profession breaks down age wise but I also have no idea of the underlying conditions of most of them either, age seems to be only 1 factor along with health, weight, ethnicity even. Do we only let some staff back in and keep the others away ? Clearly that's not part of the big plan because Yrs X,Y,Z are back in and that might be left to headteachers to decide, should that not be lead from the top?

So it is guess work because the two things you said aren't directly related without a lot of other factors being potentially equally as important.

There's an understandable desire to get shit moving again but do we need schools etc open to do that?

How many people who are furloughed could go back to work without schools etc reopening?

And there'll be a whole host of questions that we should get answered as best we could before deciding whether Mrs Turnip is cracking on full time (which she will be regardless) and whether I'm sending Little Turnip back in to learn how to do phonics with no regard for their ever diminishing Bolton dialect.

 

You see, that's proper reasoned, balanced, debating.

I can respond to such well thought through posting.

 

Cheers, Ernie

[Rudy]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

But not with Salad Cream

Prude 

[desperado]

1 hour ago, Mr Grey said:

Picture the scene in the school and classroom:

Teacher at the front with his PPE mask on, muffling away about Henry VIII and his 6 wives.

20 Pupils in a classroom all with PPE on.

How do you interact, challenge ? Do pupils wipe down their pens, desk, notebooks, class subject text or do the school get the cleaners in every classroom after each lesson? How do you separate them at 2m, seriously that's 4 in a classroom. How do all the kids get to school if public transport is not fully up and running, what about canteens, queing for school dinners, trying to sit kids 2m apart. Its a fucking logistical nightmare.

All back in September, all back to normal.... hopefully.

 

We’ve been told today nobody will be wearing any PPE. Gov.uk advice:

“Wearing a face covering or face mask in schools or other education settings is not recommended. Face coverings may be beneficial for short periods indoors where there is a risk of close social contact with people you do not usually meet and where social distancing and other measures cannot be maintained, for example on public transport or in some shops. This does not apply to schools or other education settings. Schools and other education or childcare settings should therefore not require staff, children and learners to wear face coverings.“

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, desperado said:

We’ve been told today nobody will be wearing any PPE. Gov.uk advice:

“Wearing a face covering or face mask in schools or other education settings is not recommended. Face coverings may be beneficial for short periods indoors where there is a risk of close social contact with people you do not usually meet and where social distancing and other measures cannot be maintained, for example on public transport or in some shops. This does not apply to schools or other education settings. Schools and other education or childcare settings should therefore not require staff, children and learners to wear face coverings.“

That sounds bollocks advice to me. 

[only1swanny]

75 school employee's have died from Covid-19.. (office of national statistics)

That's baring in mind that it's been limited contact and they closed at the start of the outbreak..to put it into comparison, there have been 160 NHS and Care worker deaths.. 

The rules have stated PPE is not recommended, imagine saying that to NHS workers, there has been uproar with shortages, and kids spread it, there are more cases now then when schools shut. 

The unions have now said that the government should change their mind, this is backed with surveys of parents which reflect this. People will not send their kids in as it isn't worth the risk, and deaths are not falling, they keep on fluctuating. 

 

 

[radcliffe white]

How many deaths today 

[ErnestTurnip]

The classes will be packed to the gunwales.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 hours ago, mickbrown said:

You know the overspend there is on massive IT systems?
 

That’s mainly where the money goes. Getting different systems to talk to each other. 

So simply email the figures to the relevant interested parties.

 

[Casino]

14 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

75 school employee's have died from Covid-19.. (office of national statistics)

That's baring in mind that it's been limited contact and they closed at the start of the outbreak..to put it into comparison, there have been 160 NHS and Care worker deaths.. 

 

 

 

275

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Chuck them in a pond with a few toasters 👋🏼😁

Fish deserve better.

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

So simply email the figures to the relevant interested parties.

 

Eh? I honestly don’t know what you mean. 

[Casino]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

275

And, to give your education figures some context, check this out

[Casino]

From the same publication

Quote

The rate of COVID-19-related deaths among teaching and educational professionals, which for the purposes of the data collection excludes TAs, educational support assistants, lunchtime and crossing patrols, school secretaries and advisers and inspectors, was 6.7 per 100,000 for men and 3.3 for women.

This is roughly the same rate as those classed as business and public service associate professionals (6.8 and 2.8) and corporate managers and directors (6.4 and 2.6), but much lower than those in elementary trades and related occupations (27.8 and 12.5) and those in textiles, printing and other skilled trades (24.6 and 7.0).

 

 

[Casino]

Which suggests the cannon fodder in all of this are folk who get their hands duty

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Oh dear, its pick on the Teachers day.

If you think those, and i include Teachers and support staff, who work in a school or College have an easy life, you are wrong, the time put in after hours probably gives them the deserved holidays they receive, but plenty work during half-terms. Its not all dandy.

And of you think Teachers are well paid, your wrong again, wages in the teaching profession have not moved as fast as other sectors. Promotion opportunities used to be at a premium, but since Austerity and cut backs this isn't the case anymore. However Heads and Principals are on a fair whack and have better pensions.

 

Yep.

There's a shortage in certain subjects iirc, so a decent salary would be important to help with that.

Moreover, if it was so easy and well paid, every cunt would be applying.

I don't envy teachers one iota. Loads of shit from both sides. Cunty kids and cunty rules. Cunty parents too.

Ppe seems reasonable, a mask for example. Might seem a bit odd and muffled perhaps, but kids would get used to it.

[Casino]

Id go visor if anything

 

[only1swanny]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yep.

There's a shortage in certain subjects iirc, so a decent salary would be important to help with that.

Moreover, if it was so easy and well paid, every cunt would be applying.

I don't envy teachers one iota. Loads of shit from both sides. Cunty kids and cunty rules. Cunty parents too.

Ppe seems reasonable, a mask for example. Might seem a bit odd and muffled perhaps, but kids would get used to it.

Been told no to PPE ..

Kids as well.. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

20 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Eh? I honestly don’t know what you mean. 

Really?

Private labs results not visible for local government?

Then simply write down each day's results in an email and copy it to interested parties.

Parties act accordingly.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

[only1swanny]

Bit light hearted..

why the secondary school students won't have masks

 

The Wearing of Face masks in a school setting... thoughts from a teacher who has survived the Bottle Flip, The Dab, Skirt Rolling, Fidget Spinners, Tie Peanuts..

1. Someone's mother, probably Flossie's, will pimp the mask. It will be a sea of rhinestones and sequins and every girl will want one and refuse to wear a 'boring' one and will cry. Then they all won't wear them.

2. Someone will have a designer posh mask with a Hype label or some bollocks. They will all then want one and will drive their parents mental saying they can't possibly go to school with a homemade mask or even a proper clinical mask. These overpriced, clinically useless masks will sell out but few will get them and then there will be tantrums and they won't wear them.

3. Girls aged 13 and above will notice they give you spots and then they won't wear them.

4. The same girls will also need a new mask every 10 mins as it gets caked in their foundation and this is a faff so they won't wear them.

5. The same girls will take 1000 selfies wearing the mask, hate it, hate themselves, roll it down a bit like their skirts so it becomes totally ineffective and then they won't wear them.

6. Twanging the Mask (the new peanutting) will be great fun. Mostly for the boys who will twang the mask and shout CORONA at the top of their voices. They will do this to Flossie and rhinestones and sequins will be all over the classroom. She will cry, they will all get twanging friction burns and then they won't wear them.

7. They will draw penises on them. Anatomically quite accurate but hugely inappropriate and then we will have to confiscate them and tell them not to wear them.

8.They will own a mask which they will wear on arrival at school and when reminded 1 million times by their teachers - that same mask will be left screwed up in their bags the minute the school day is over because they won't be seen dead outside the school wearing them.

9. They will wear the mask at school when reminded 1 million times by their teachers, but once they start getting changed for PE, that mask and where it ends up is anyone's guess. And the chances of the same mask returning to its original owner after is 0%. So they won't wear them.

10. There will wear their masks at break and lunch time when reminded 1 million times by their teachers, canteen staff and assistants. Someone will try to eat whilst still wearing the mask and end up with Bolognese sauce all down the mask whereupon the other kids will rip the piss forever more. So no one will wear the masks at break or lunch time.

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

You have definitely got it in for the teaching profession.

Surely you realise that with Education its not that cut and dry, its a logistical nightmare and not an easy decision for the Government to make, teachers and parents will both be divided on whether Schools should open or not.

Ive got it in for them because i presented a counter to swannys figures, or generally?

His figures gave the impression covid was a big issue in killing teachers

It isnt

Dont forget, ill be very close to this come september and as it stands ive no worries about her teaching

 

 

Ps on the cannon fodder remark...yes, i think dirty hands types have been dealt the shitty stick, but im not just comparing against teachers

I meant generally, just look at the figures

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Casino

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

Ive got it in for them because i presented a counter to swannys figures, or generally?

His figures gave the impression covid was a big issue in killing teachers

It isnt

Dont forget, ill be very close to this come september and as it stands ive no worries about her teaching

 

 

Ps on the cannon fodder remark...yes, i think dirty hands types have been dealt the shitty stick, but im not just comparing against teachers

I meant generally, just look at the figures

 

75-275?

I'd say both were pretty big. Especially considering their respective exposure levels.

Anyway, in the same way as manufacturers etc have to ensure the safety of their staff, the same will apply to schools. This very subject was discussed this morning with a couple of guests on the news. An enquiry from a concerned employee worried about lack of relevant precautions in their work place.

You'll know the situation, and the potential for checks by the HSE in general.

Schools are going to be a minefield over this. Can imagine a shit load of worried head teachers too.

They're going to have to open gradually, and information and guidance is available, but I can see it being patchy for a while.