Coronavirus

[Casino]

To be fair to bozo, i doubt he knows the truth

[Spider]

We need a good quality opposition.

It doesn’t follow that you have to fucking vote for them.

But no party should have carte Blanche to do as they please unchallenged.

Corbyn was shite. Starmer (hopefully) brings the challenge needed

[Zico]

13 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Tom, what's your thoughts on Starmer, deliberately misleading Parliament today in the questions session v Boris Johnson ?

I'm certain you and your little anti Boris gang on here would be all over it if Johnson was actually guilty of what Starmer claimed, but the silence is deafening from the left since it's been proven that Starmer is just a lying bounder.

As I say, the silence from you and the Not so Magnificent Seven on here is shameful and speaks volumes.

Quell Surprise.

so maybe the silence was because it never happened?

[Ani]

18 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

The guidance was out of date, and dangerously misleading to anyone who continued to follow it until it was changed on 12th March.

I think there's a credible arguement that this doesn't matter in the here and now and has become a sideshow. But it's pathetic for anyone to actually try and make the case that Boris was correct and Starmer wrong. 

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-care-homes-guidance/

 

 

I think that again people have to be careful challenging decisions that were made in mid Feb with knowledge available at that time to what those calls would have been 4 weeks later. 
Mid Feb when the advice was issued I would guess it was correct and virus was not prevalent. That advice was changed on the 12th. That is the day before Cheltenham Gold Cup and a week before everything closed down. 
The advice was probably out of date pretty much as soon as it was issued but things accelerated quickly. I think it is pretty clear the speed the virus grew caught the Govt out but hard to say if that is anyone’s fault. 

[Escobarp]

43 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

 

upon further investigation, maybe not

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2020/04/14/starmer-vs-the-trolls-brexiters-online-react-with-outrage-to

It is also misleading. Starmer was Director of Public Prosecutions and head of the CPS in 2009 but the decision not to charge the TV personality was taken by another prosecutor, after a series of police and prosecution failings. Savile's case may never have crossed Starmer's desk.

But in private Facebook groups, where users are asked to outline their commitment to Brexit before gaining membership, there are few voices to counter the post's simple argument.

In these digital spaces, many have made up their mind about Starmer. Fake news and dubious sources serve to shore up their opinions.

Starmer is inevitably attacked for his previous support for a second referendum.

MickyD posted the post on here as well

I’m certainly not attacking him. I was pointing out what I believed people were throwing at him. 
 

before Corbyn packed it in I actually stated on the brexit thread that I liked starmer. That still stands. I think he’s articulate and very very composed.
 

i wouldn’t vote for him though. Nor would I vote for anyone for that matter. 

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m certainly not attacking him. I was pointing out what I believed people were throwing at him. 
 

before Corbyn packed it in I actually stated on the brexit thread that I liked starmer. That still stands. I think he’s articulate and very very composed.
 

i wouldn’t vote for him though. Nor would I vote for anyone for that matter. 

You don't vote?

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m certainly not attacking him. I was pointing out what I believed people were throwing at him. 
 

before Corbyn packed it in I actually stated on the brexit thread that I liked starmer. That still stands. I think he’s articulate and very very composed.
 

i wouldn’t vote for him though. Nor would I vote for anyone for that matter. 

no, not at all

we both thought it, but with some easy, quick research it seems that Starmer has the right flustered and there's a load of shit being flung that's fake news and lies about his PMQs and CPS past

[Escobarp]

23 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

You don't vote?

Very good 

[mickbrown]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Very good 

That surprises me

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

That surprises me

Your patter doesn’t surprise me 

[Winchester White]

Just seen this and thought it should be shared...

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Your patter doesn’t surprise me 

Patter? 😀

What the fuck are you papping on about now?

[Steejay]

11 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Just seen this and thought it should be shared...

Yep, I agree that should be shared.

But, bagsy going first. 😁

[Spider]

Just now, Steejay said:

Yep, I agree that should be shared.

But, bagsy going first. 😁

I’d go on that after most of ISIS had had a go.

[Farrelli]

32 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

I dunno, they still went after the unelectable Corbyn with the IRA and Anti-Jewish slurs and many on social media throw loads of shit at Boris, generally that he is a liar (arnt they all) its just how Politics is these days, fucking shit!

No not really that's just how the Tory party is. Boris is a pathalogical liar even about the number of children he has fathered.  

I'm sure Starmer has some skeletons in the cupboard but he is the polar opposite to Bozo, articulate, good attention to detail and measured.

[Tombwfc]

Testing numbers look good today - 126,000 tests from 70k people and only 3,400 new cases.

Put that with the antibody tests, and there's a bit of positive news floating around.

[Escobarp]

1400 in hospital with Covid in Scotland and 71 in icu

wouldnt scream to me those numbers that we have a huge problem that’s worse than rest of the UK as is being portrayed or am I being unreasonable. 

[stevieb]

https://amp.ft.com/content/734e604b-93d9-43a6-a6ec-19e8b22dad3c?__twitter_impression=true

Worst recession in 300 years. Mint. 

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, stevieb said:

https://amp.ft.com/content/734e604b-93d9-43a6-a6ec-19e8b22dad3c?__twitter_impression=true

Worst recession in 300 years. Mint. 

So we’re all going a bit Baldrick then?

[Spider]

Furlough is basically a soothing anaesthetic before we wake up to the horror that we’ve all had a limb amputated and there’s a massive bill from the surgeon.

That holiday thread might Peter out very quickly once this particular band aid is removed....

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Furlough is basically a soothing anaesthetic before we wake up to the horror that we’ve all had a limb amputated and there’s a massive bill from the surgeon.

That holiday thread might Peter out very quickly once this particular band aid is removed....

The smell of the coffee is finally waking people up. As I predicted more will die from poverty caused by lockdown than Covid. And each day it gets worse 

[peelyfeet]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

So we’re all going a bit Baldrick then?

its negative growth, so relative to how rich we already are - doesn't mean we're going to have to eat turnips, or use turnips for the covid arse test - we'll still be able to afford cucumbers. 

[ErnestTurnip]

General question for folk, and I understand that we don't all run the places we work at so it's purely speculation and opinion.

If you are furloughed or people at your work are furloughed what would it take to get most if not all of them back in and working as safely as in other workplaces?

The school thing is a bit of a red herring which will be affecting some and maybe even lots but it's not keeping everyone at home.

I'll go first and say that if we put a few things in place where I work then almost everyone could be back in within a day, if you want to be generous say a week. We won't be though and even if I don't know the exact date I could hazard a guess at the circumstances that would have us back in.

 

[peelyfeet]

21 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

The smell of the coffee is finally waking people up. As I predicted more will die from poverty caused by lockdown than Covid. And each day it gets worse 

It's going to be killed by the virus directly and indirectly.

Lockdown or no lockdown, economies are still getting hit - Sweden's economy is shrinking too for example. 

Drops in education levels are also detrimental to health long term too - there will be kids who end up doing worse off because of home schooling, they'll get lower qualifications, have worse job prospects, earn less cash, be more likely to have poor health.

But, we will adapt and recover, just hope its sooner rather than later

Edited May 14, 2020 by peelyfeet

[peelyfeet]

4 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

General question for folk, and I understand that we don't all run the places we work at so it's purely speculation and opinion.

If you are furloughed or people at your work are furloughed what would it take to get most if not all of them back in and working as safely as in other workplaces?

The school thing is a bit of a red herring which will be affecting some and maybe even lots but it's not keeping everyone at home.

I'll go first and say that if we put a few things in place where I work then almost everyone could be back in within a day, if you want to be generous say a week. We won't be though and even if I don't know the exact date I could hazard a guess at the circumstances that would have us back in.

 

Most of the offices for the businesses I support aren't big enough for the amount of staff they have, with the distancing required, and many don't have the ventilation or air conditioning that's going to be recommended, or the HR and Health and safety policies in place to open up.

 I suspect many office workers are going to be home workers for the foreseable.