Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Autumn/winter could be awful if the virus doesn’t mutate itself into something less damaging.

Distancing will be a thing of the past and if we’re all back at gigs and matches, it’s going to cause havoc.

A nice hot summer could be very useful.

I had gigs lined up for March, May and June

each one has now been put back 12 months

not heard of any gigs due to still take place this year (though TBF I only know about the ones I'm going to), but will be surprised if any that are scheduled for 2020 go ahead, or if any rescheduled ones are for a date this year

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Edited May 30, 20206 yr by ZicoKelly

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Brazil - doing very well.

they're pissing it with record breaking numbers, and they don't even know when their peak will be yet

and they've not been testing either, so could be up to 15 times more cases than they think

but as Bosernaro said, "what do you want me to do about it?"

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

I would agree but I genuinely don’t see us back at football and gigs. I certainly wouldn’t be going anyway 

Is have thought we'll be into 2021 before we're looking at stuff like that

4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

they're pissing it with record breaking numbers, and they don't even know when their peak will be yet

and they've not been testing either, so could be up to 15 times more cases than they think

but as Bosernaro said, "what do you want me to do about it?"

At least we have an example for anyone wondering what would have happened if we did fuck all. 

If the R number goes up when multiple restictions are lifted, how are they going to know which one has caused it?

4 minutes ago, Ani said:

At least we have an example for anyone wondering what would have happened if we did fuck all. 

someone should tell the guy who writes for Conservative Woman

3 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

If the R number goes up when multiple restictions are lifted, how are they going to know which one has caused it?

I’m not sure it’s possible to ever figure that out without the contact tracing system working as you can then identify what event or what they have done?

we are reliant on the public who get this to be honest and quick and feed accurate info in. That’s how I see it 

49 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I wouldn’t say that socially distancing / shielding millions who are in at risk groups can be classed as ‘throwing our hands up’

We need a solution where the rest of us can carry on in a normal way to support industries that won’t survive social distancing - what’s the point in saving the NHS now to get to the other side and have a decimated economy. A depression will end up hurting the NHS 

It was always about stopping the NHS being overrun, that should still be the case of course. Perhaps we should all be vaccinated against winter flu this year (not just the usual at risk groups), that should help with NHS capacity through the winter 

 

I disagree really. Test and trace doesn't work without everyone adhering to some kind of social distancing, for some of the reasons I mentioned above. Also, the current system requires anyone with a positive test to give the names and contact info of anyone they've been within 2m of for 15 minutes, or been face to face with within 1m at all. If you're commuting in a city to a large workplace with no distancing, the numbers become infeasible almost instantly.

Similarly, the number of people with underlying conditions is massive. Extend that to people who live in households with people with underlying conditions (asthma, obesity etc.) and you'd be struggling to have enough left to run the country. Even if you can convince the rest to stay indoors while we go to the pub.

So in the end, we'd be leaving lockdown and returning to normal with the benefit of what? The ability to test but not effectively trace and additional capacity in the NHS that we didn't use first time around, on our way to one of the highest death tolls in the world. I'd say that is close to throwing our hands up.

The path forward seems pretty clear to me, and to some extent we're following it. But it takes patience and adding/removing measures based on what the virus is doing, rather than what looks good politically or because we feel it's time to move on from a contagious disease.

 The UK government borrowed almost $76 billion in April, pushing its total public debt to close to 100% of the country’s GDP, its highest in nearly 60 years
 

Long road back...

1 minute ago, Spider said:

 The UK government borrowed almost $76 billion in April, pushing its total public debt to close to 100% of the country’s GDP, its highest in nearly 60 years
 

Long road back...

No trying to sound like some on here but I’ve been predicting this for some time. It’s honestly dark dark road ahead. But In saying that we will recover and it won’t hit all of us. It’s just going to take a long time to unravel. Some very clever strategy required from the BoE and government 

13 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I disagree really. Test and trace doesn't work without everyone adhering to some kind of social distancing, for some of the reasons I mentioned above. Also, the current system requires anyone with a positive test to give the names and contact info of anyone they've been within 2m of for 15 minutes, or been face to face with within 1m at all. If you're commuting in a city to a large workplace with no distancing, the numbers become infeasible almost instantly.

Similarly, the number of people with underlying conditions is massive. Extend that to people who live in households with people with underlying conditions (asthma, obesity etc.) and you'd be struggling to have enough left to run the country. Even if you can convince the rest to stay indoors while we go to the pub.

So in the end, we'd be leaving lockdown and returning to normal with the benefit of what? The ability to test but not effectively trace and additional capacity in the NHS that we didn't use first time around, on our way to one of the highest death tolls in the world. I'd say that is close to throwing our hands up.

The path forward seems pretty clear to me, and to some extent we're following it. But it takes patience and adding/removing measures based on what the virus is doing, rather than what looks good politically or because we feel it's time to move on from a contagious disease.

It’s not just about deciding to move on from a contagious disease 

it’s about avoiding an economic depression, which in itself will cause many thousands of deaths 

 

Lockdown Driveway bingo time again

3 hours ago, Spider said:

Brazil - doing very well.

 

Who'd  have think Turkey would be a model example of control

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52831017

57 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

It’s not just about deciding to move on from a contagious disease 

it’s about avoiding an economic depression, which in itself will cause many thousands of deaths 

 

Spot on

lives v lives

 

2 hours ago, Escobarp said:

I’m not sure it’s possible to ever figure that out without the contact tracing system working as you can then identify what event or what they have done?

we are reliant on the public who get this to be honest and quick and feed accurate info in. That’s how I see it 

It would be possible if they did one at a time 

6 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

It would be possible if they did one at a time 

But you still wouldn’t know unless you started one then stopped as just because you start a second activity it doesn’t mean it comes from that source ?

Green light for kids one to one and small group coaching, don’t know about others but my lad is climbing the wall without football 

Whilst we had significant issues, like death and oblivion, these past 10 weeks have aspects of bliss.

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Spot on

lives v lives

 

Maybe, but on the other hand.....,

 

Edited May 30, 20206 yr by mickbrown

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Spot on

lives v lives

 

Do your parents still have theirs? Genuine question, mine do and really that's all I'm bothered about

My business, savings and pension can wait till we get our daily death toll till at least below 100

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Lockdown Driveway bingo time again

Is it the lad who has been on tv?

21 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Maybe, but on the other hand.....,

 

Why are they not comparing the stats like for like in terms of when we came out of lockdown surely that would be a better comparison?

I’d say it’s more a case of life vs lives now.

God help the government if they have to start locking down again, especially if the weather holds.

Not happening.

The government scientists seem unhappy with easing the lockdown.

in fact, that was barely disguised disgust I’d say