Coronavirus

[MickyD]

18 minutes ago, jeep said:

When they announced this latest release of the lockdown I never for 1 minute thought about it being used to deflect because of that weaselly little cunt Cummings.

I thought it was because the warm weather would be a deterrent to the virus. Read somewhere that it can't thrive in warm weather....

Thought JVT was good. He's no puppet for any government. Would be a mistake to not have him on again 👍

 

Right at the start they said it’ll die off in the warmer weather. Since then, they’ve been telling us how it is different to every other virus and nobody knows for sure what will happen so maybe the “it’ll die off in warmer weather” was more a hope than a knowledgable response.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Alf Hartigan said:

They had a big fire up there on Wednesday. It's Darwen by the way.

Is there another one today?

Aye. Now.

Perhaps a Freudian slip there too- if the knuckledragger arsonist gets cremated, then that's survival of the fittest etc in action.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Right at the start they said it’ll die off in the warmer weather. Since then, they’ve been telling us how it is different to every other virus and nobody knows for sure what will happen so maybe the “it’ll die off in warmer weather” was more a hope than a knowledgable response.

I think it was based on experience of similar diseases. 

Reports still saying it doesn't do well in UV light though, and certainly outdoors, the spread is lessened, so maybe the warmer weather has an indirect beneficial effect.

[Alf Hartigan]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye. Now.

Perhaps a Freudian slip there too- if the knuckledragger arsonist gets cremated, then that's survival of the fittest etc in action.

Aye, it's not the odd dropped ciggy starting fires up there. Someone's deliberately starting them. 

[Alf Hartigan]

2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Someone is going all Prodigy on them there moors.

Twisted

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Someone is going all Prodigy on them there moors.

Or Jerry Lee Lewis for the older folk.

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Twisted

a danger illustrated

[peelyfeet]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I think it was based on experience of similar diseases. 

Reports still saying it doesn't do well in UV light though, and certainly outdoors, the spread is lessened, so maybe the warmer weather has an indirect beneficial effect.

It has an oily coating. In low temperatures the oil hardens like fat from cooked meat, protecting the virus, so it will live longer on surfaces outside of the body if it's cold, and dry, and UV light kills it quicker too.

Temperature doesnt have any noticeable effect on the chance of breathing in the droplets, which is the main way its transmitted. 

 

[Not in Crawley]

58 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Ah those who shout the loudest 🤫

Or those that just disagree that with those that do? 
 

This is bloody basic

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, Mr Grey said:

Ah those who shout the loudest 🤫

Laugh longest? Don’t get smart, it’s unbecoming 

[Cheese]

 

[Tombwfc]

3 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Nobody can tell me that’s not the people who are there that are at fault? 

 

Of course they are. But in the wider sense, are the government doing everything they can to stop scenes like that? What suggests they even want to?

There have been pictures of large gatherings in the media since this started, none of which have ever been condemned or criticised by the PM or Cabinet. And they won't do it now because of Cummings. So people will think it's ok to crack on.

If the public aren't doing what they want, now would be a good time to say so - rather than ballooning about BBQs, dusting off uniforms and horse racing.

[Guest Nordkurve]

11 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Don't know about those stats, but according to the tracker Peely has quoted from a few times, as of 28th May we have a more stringent set of measures in place than (of those countries)...

Italy, Hungary, Germany, Sweden

And a less stringent set of measures than...

Poland, Spain, Turkey, Ireland, France, Belgium, Romania, Netherlands, Portugal

That's obviously as of now, rather than Monday, and is based just on the rules rather than how people are adhering to them. But I think it's clear that we're on the lighter side of things in Europe, and still with a comparatively very high death rate.

Not so sure regarding Germany. We can still only meet limited numbers of people. We have to wear Masks in Shops, on Public transport, even on the Platforms of Train stations etc. there are big fines for not doing this. I am pretty sure the wearing of Masks in the UK is not mandatory in these instances. Plus, look at the Figures. Germany has ten times less new people getting infected at the moment compared to the UK, and a siginifact amount lower number of people dying each day. From what I have seen on Social Media and on here, it seems that it doesn't matter what the stringent measures are in the UK because people have given up and are doing what they want. That's not happening here. 

[ProfessorWoland]

50 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

Not so sure regarding Germany. We can still only meet limited numbers of people. We have to wear Masks in Shops, on Public transport, even on the Platforms of Train stations etc. there are big fines for not doing this. I am pretty sure the wearing of Masks in the UK is not mandatory in these instances. Plus, look at the Figures. Germany has ten times less new people getting infected at the moment compared to the UK, and a siginifact amount lower number of people dying each day. From what I have seen on Social Media and on here, it seems that it doesn't matter what the stringent measures are in the UK because people have given up and are doing what they want. That's not happening here. 

 

It would be easy to just label my fellow countrymen ignorant twats, there's a few factors at work here.

 

Testing here was screwed up. We didn't enlist our full industrial and academic resources to scale testing and were left with a logjam at the public health labs. 

There's a cultural issue around rule following, in Germany people are much better at following rules, particularly if they're rooted in public safety. Just as an example, crossing the road, watch how the two populace's approach a red pedestrian signal on an empty road.

Trust in all branches of govt has been eroded through the failures and broken promises of several administrations. Many people haven't believed in any govt since the Iraq war onwards. 

Then there's been a lack of investment in public health and local government, which has undermined some of the systems which should have helped reinforce the public health messaging. It's not all investment. My parents local GP's have managed to hide themselves from doing their job, they are a disgrace.

all of these and more make visiting Germany a pleasure. Yes there are problems there, but really you have a much better organised society, with more consensus between govt and governed on a general direction to follow.

i think the federal lander structure has shown it's effective at allowing decision making to take place at local level, although I know from friends there that there's some conflict with the federal govt. I wish we were taking a regional approach  now north west figures suggest we need more lockdown, whilst London needs to come out of it.

Did I mention the ignorant twats?

Edited May 31, 2020 by ProfessorWoland

[Guest Nordkurve]

8 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

It would be easy to just label my fellow countrymen ignorant twats, there's a few factors at work here.

 

Testing here was screwed up. We didn't enlist our full industrial and academic resources to scale testing and were left with a logjam at the public health labs. 

There's a cultural issue around rule following, in Germany people are much better at following rules, particularly if they're rooted in public safety. Just as an example, crossing the road, watch how the two populace's approach a red pedestrian signal on an empty road.

Trust in all branches of govt has been eroded through the failures and broken promises of several administrations. Many people haven't believed in any govt since the Iraq war onwards. 

Then there's been a lack of investment in public health and local government, which has undermined some of the systems which should have helped reinforce the public health messaging. It's not all investment. My parents local GP's have managed to hide themselves from doing their job, they are a disgrace.

all of these and more make visiting Germany a pleasure. Yes there are problems there, but really you have a much better organised society, with more consensus between govt and governed on a general direction to follow.

did I mention the ignorant twats?

i think the federal lander structure has shown it's effective at allowing decision making to take place at local level, although I know from friends there that there's some conflict with the federal govt. I wish we were taking a regional approach  now north west figures suggest we need more lockdown, whilst London needs to come out of it.

 

I agree with you entirely. The fact that each State can loosen or tighten restrictions individually certainly helps. I live in Bavaria, but work in Saxony, so I have to be aware of the current regualtions in both those States and any others I travel through. In Bavaria we had the highest number of infections and deaths in Germany. We had the very first infections in Germany, and it took a long time to get to a lockdown situation here, but, the Hospitals here are amazing and very well prepared. My Landkreis with over 110000 people has now had 12 deaths from Covid-19 and in total 616 people infected since the beginning. The closer you get to the Austrian Border, the higher the number of infections and deaths. As a whole, Bavaria has had around 48000 cases and 2500 deaths (population 13 million). That's pretty grim really for one State, but at the same time it really is under control at the moment. My Landkreis has had only one new infection in the last week. Bavaria as a whole has had about 750 in a week. Regarding funding. Regarding the conflicts, there are certain groups of Germans who protest at anything and everything. In general, it's either the Greens or the AFD types. Both of them are pretty extreme over here. Most others accept the situation and are getting on with it as best as possible. It does help that people are being well supported by the Government. I am working still full time two weeks on/two weeks off. My Son is on Kurzarbeit working from home, and is getting around 90% of his wages. The other 10% he would have spent on travelling to/from work anyway, so it works OK for him. Imagine getting 90% of your normal full pay and only having to work four hours per day. Not bad really. 

 

I worry for the UK. The pictues I see of everyone out and about is nothing like here. People are still even crossing over to avoid walking directly past someone else, and plenty are wearing Masks even where not required by law. I can't get over the pictures from VE day in the UK. People doing the Conga and sat in the street etc. Yeh, 2 meters, but no Masks, walking right through everyone elses exhalations etc. Just crazy.

[desperado]

23 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

I agree with you entirely. The fact that each State can loosen or tighten restrictions individually certainly helps. I live in Bavaria, but work in Saxony, so I have to be aware of the current regualtions in both those States and any others I travel through. In Bavaria we had the highest number of infections and deaths in Germany. We had the very first infections in Germany, and it took a long time to get to a lockdown situation here, but, the Hospitals here are amazing and very well prepared. My Landkreis with over 110000 people has now had 12 deaths from Covid-19 and in total 616 people infected since the beginning. The closer you get to the Austrian Border, the higher the number of infections and deaths. As a whole, Bavaria has had around 48000 cases and 2500 deaths (population 13 million). That's pretty grim really for one State, but at the same time it really is under control at the moment. My Landkreis has had only one new infection in the last week. Bavaria as a whole has had about 750 in a week. Regarding funding. Regarding the conflicts, there are certain groups of Germans who protest at anything and everything. In general, it's either the Greens or the AFD types. Both of them are pretty extreme over here. Most others accept the situation and are getting on with it as best as possible. It does help that people are being well supported by the Government. I am working still full time two weeks on/two weeks off. My Son is on Kurzarbeit working from home, and is getting around 90% of his wages. The other 10% he would have spent on travelling to/from work anyway, so it works OK for him. Imagine getting 90% of your normal full pay and only having to work four hours per day. Not bad really. 

 

I worry for the UK. The pictues I see of everyone out and about is nothing like here. People are still even crossing over to avoid walking directly past someone else, and plenty are wearing Masks even where not required by law. I can't get over the pictures from VE day in the UK. People doing the Conga and sat in the street etc. Yeh, 2 meters, but no Masks, walking right through everyone elses exhalations etc. Just crazy.

A good informative first hand post of how it is working in another country.

Whether it’s because of ingrained social reasons, or because of a chaotic interpretation of the new “stay alert” guidelines from a section of our population, you can’t help think we are currently doing it wrong.

3 weeks ago it was black and white and I think the bulk of the population adhered to staying at home. Now the wheels are off and the “rules” are being exploited without consequence. 

Yes we need to get a balance to get the economy going, but the current interpretation has tipped the scales over. I pray this doesn’t have horrific consequences. 

[gonzo]

 

[Zico]

14 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

There's been a group of households on a street near me having regular street parties, no proper distancing the works.

I really don't understand what they would expect the government to do differently to protect them.

My mate in Dubai would receive texts like this in lockdown

We've been fairly lax in comparison

[Casino]

They changed something first day of Ramadan, apparently

The Irish took the piss and mobbed a bar

Dunno what happened to that lot

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

They changed something first day of Ramadan, apparently

The Irish took the piss and mobbed a bar

Dunno what happened to that lot

They allowed bars to open for the day to 30% capacity with distancing in place

Mate knew of at least 4 bars rammed full of westerners

See point 4

[ZiggyStardust]

9 minutes ago, Casino said:

They changed something first day of Ramadan, apparently

The Irish took the piss and mobbed a bar

Dunno what happened to that lot

Their families are asking the same ......

[jmjhb]

 Interesting that they snuck the news in last night that vulnerable people can now leave the house once a day

[Escobarp]

Just now, jmjhb said:

 Interesting that they snuck the news in last night that vulnerable people can now leave the house once a day

Wouldn’t have said it was snuck really. It was pretty much widespread coverage. 
 

doesn’t apply in scotland or wales or NI though. 

[peelyfeet]

I'm not going anywhere until I see how this pans out over next few weeks.

No shops, kids aren't going to school, no visits to any friends or relatives. 

Theres a reason why many of the councils in the NW are telling schools to not open. They dont trust the govmt advice

Greater Manchester and Liverpool are hot spots.

I sincerely doubt that we would be opening up if London still had high rates of infection.

Fuck em

[radcliffe white]

18 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Dubai or the UK ?

UK rules for me every time, we as a country couldn't live by them rules, they would be to totalitarian, and when the Police intervened in some situations early in lockdown, they were persecuted for it by the public and media. 

Unfortunately there are some who do what the fuck they want, and then have the brass neck to blame the Government other than themselves.

For the record, i am still following the rules from early lockdown, because it seems sensible to do so.

Aye good luck dishing fines out over here like that, the police just get fucked off around here by the local scrotes if they fined them they wouldn’t pay