Meanwhile in Ukraine

[royal white]

8 hours ago, gonzo said:

Tbf, there's plenty of articles out there regarding the minerals that are in Ukraine and Trumps deals on such minerals in the past.

I've posted two on here.

 

Neither of them answer my question and a couple of articles are no good, it needs to be a book, one that NIC has read and shares his viewpoint otherwise it doesn’t count. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Trump may reign him in in the end; it might work, we don't know, and there is certainly nothing wrong with trying.

The way he's gone about it is the problem, not the intent.

Also worth noting, that if Russia doesn't play ball, then Trump doesn't get his minerals deal.

He won't get it if American support stops and Russia does sweep in either.

Should big American companies out pressure on him, and he feels wronged, then he may well unlock the support again.

We will see.

[BobyBrno]

I’m still a bit mystified as to the lack of interest in Sir Keir’s lead in trying to unify the west in opposing Putin. A British (English) Prime Minister leading the world in opposition to an aggressor. Who’d have thought it. 
‘Swing low, sweet chariot…..’

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

I’m still a bit mystified as to the lack of interest in Sir Keir’s lead in trying to unify the west in opposing Putin. A British (English) Prime Minister leading the world in opposition to an aggressor. Who’d have thought it. 
‘Swing low, sweet chariot…..’

 

His difficulty will be in convincing those who have closer dependency on Russia.

Good few will still be happy to have Russian gas.

Maybe they should tell Putin to stop, and then they can buy his gas again.

[Zico]

5 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Of course it is. I was asking how it will affect the dynamics of the talks as everyone seems to be ignoring it. 
An operational update here from VZ. Seems the Ruskies are building up forces on the border with Ukraine again. 

 

And folk wonder why anyone but trump have attempted talks with Putin since this all started

[BobyBrno]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

His difficulty will be in convincing those who have closer dependency on Russia.

Good few will still be happy to have Russian gas.

Maybe they should tell Putin to stop, and then they can buy his gas again.

Who knows. Trying to unify so many countries is a big ask.  I give him credit for trying though. My hope is that it will give Trump some leverage against Putin. He may use it, he may not. He may have his own agenda which I think is most likely. At least Starmer and the rest can say they tried. Still a lot of political manoeuvres to come from all sides.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Who knows. Trying to unify so many countries is a big ask.  I give him credit for trying though. My hope is that it will give Trump some leverage against Putin. He may use it, he may not. He may have his own agenda which I think is most likely. At least Starmer and the rest can say they tried. Still a lot of political manoeuvres to come from all sides.

Aye, be a miracle to get everyone on exactly the same page.

No doubt a compromise statement will be released, but I really can't see entire agreement. 

 

[Winchester White]

Putin made the US envoy wait for over 8 hours apparently. Not sure if that's a fuck off or not? 🤔

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Probably putting the finishing touches to his latest body double.

[Winchester White]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Probably putting the finishing touches to his latest body double.

Very true. But he's a right upstanding man who we should listen to. Yeah right.

[Spider]

3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

I’m still a bit mystified as to the lack of interest in Sir Keir’s lead in trying to unify the west in opposing Putin. A British (English) Prime Minister leading the world in opposition to an aggressor. Who’d have thought it. 
‘Swing low, sweet chariot…..’

 

To be honest, I’d expect this of any British PM.

Even Boris was good in this regard. I never had an issue with his (or the Tory) stance on Ukraine. It was one thing they got right.

starmer deserves credit, but it’s really part of the job.

[wanderer1984]

10 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

In a nutshell 

You really think that? I've not once said I agree with them taking land.

After 3 years of war ... a ceasefire agreement is a good thing no matter who organised it. 

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

You really think that? I've not once said I agree with them taking land.

After 3 years of war ... a ceasefire agreement is a good thing no matter who organised it. 

You don’t need to say it outright 

It’s obvious 

[Spider]

29 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

You really think that? I've not once said I agree with them taking land.

After 3 years of war ... a ceasefire agreement is a good thing no matter who organised it. 

A ceasefire that means Russia keep the stolen land?

That’s not a result. That’s a defeat.

[London Wanderer]

“All hail the peacekeeper”

Fckn morons

[royal white]

3 hours ago, Spider said:

A ceasefire that means Russia keep the stolen land?

That’s not a result. That’s a defeat.

But it looks like that’s was VZ wants. Even though he’s been saying since the start that’s not what he wants. 🤷🏻

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, royal white said:

But it looks like that’s was VZ wants. Even though he’s been saying since the start that’s not what he wants. 🤷🏻

Aye just like Jodie Foster wanted shagging on that pinball machine in the Acccused.

[athywhite1958]

7 hours ago, royal white said:

But it looks like that’s was VZ wants. Even though he’s been saying since the start that’s not what he wants. 🤷🏻

I think he has had to say it to keep Trump onside

[wanderer1984]

12 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

You don’t need to say it outright 

It’s obvious 

Ok mate if that's what you think.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

Aye just like Jodie Foster wanted shagging on that pinball machine in the Acccused.

🤣

Brilliant imagery!

[wanderer1984]

13 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

You don’t need to say it outright 

It’s obvious 

Oh and for the record it's what I thought would happen before a shot was fired and before Trump got involved. Some others suggest the same. No one on here ever said it was the right outcome though 👍🏻

[Winchester White]

If you go and mooch round Kharkov and ask the locals if they want to be part of Russia you might not be quite to sure of that 'split'. Just because someone speaks Russian doesn't mean they don't want to remain Ukrainian.

[gonzo]

39 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

If you go and mooch round Kharkov and ask the locals if they want to be part of Russia you might not be quite to sure of that 'split'. Just because someone speaks Russian doesn't mean they don't want to remain Ukrainian.

See Norther Ireland for details

[royal white]

2 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

I think he has had to say it to keep Trump onside

But does he then lose the support of Europe? 

[wanderer1984]

46 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Just because someone speaks Russian doesn't mean they don't want to remain Ukrainian.

I didn't say it did