Meanwhile in Ukraine

[London Wanderer]

“Peacemaker” 😂

[gonzo]

29 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

But he's stopping wars and upsetting half this forum or summert

Giving an invader what they want isn't stopping wars.

[kent_white]

32 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

But he's stopping wars and upsetting half this forum or summert

I genuinely hope he succeeds. I just don't think he's particularly bright - and he may well make an immediate peace that causes even more problems further down the line. 

I think that's most of our concern mate. I'm desperately hoping to be proved wrong! And it woundn't be the first time 😁👍

[Bertie]

42 minutes ago, royal white said:

VZ is siding with the Don, he knows the Don will want Ukraine to cede some land to Russia. If that makes VZ a coward then so be it. He’s probably fed up of all the dying now. 

Sadly siding with the Don is the lesser of the two evils.  Pretty sad state of affairs where the better option is stroking the orange genius’ ego. 

Edited March 14, 2025 by Bertie

[London Wanderer]

Just now, kent_white said:

I genuinely hope he succeeds. I just don't think he's particularly bright - and he may well make an immediate peace that causes even more problems further down the line. 

I think that's most of our concern mate. I'm desperately hoping to be proved wrong! And it woundn't be the first time 😁👍

We all hope he succeeds 

If this really is some ‘art of the deal’ masterpiece where Putin leaves Ukraine in peace, with its land & sovereignty, in return for being made to look good in front of the Russian propaganda machine, then fair play to him. I’ll be the first to bow down to the six foot Oompa Loompa. 
 

But I think most rational minded people, who don’t have their world view shaped by Twitter algorithms, know how unlikely it is.

Putin wants all of Ukraine to be Russian, or to be a pro Russian government. Until that changes, then giving them large areas of land would be a disaster. And calling that peace would be nonsense.

I’m 99% sure a man intent on colonising Greenland isn’t about to defend another nation’s sovereignty.

I hope I’m wrong

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

out of interest, if we're letting them take the lot, why not Poland as well?

I have a historical sympathy for Poland. They were invaded by Germany, Russia and Czechoslovakia who jointly saw their populace as sub-human and Jewish. Their forces came over and fought along with us in the Battles of Britain and Normandy with a ferocity that our traditional armies found shocking. 

Whereas the others did nowt... rolled over and just tried to profiteer and get by.

What was the Poles reward? We handed them over to the Soviets at the Yalta Conference

[Zico]

Russia 

Stop the killing

Israel 

Killing is what happens during wars

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

Russia 

Stop the killing

Israel 

Killing is what happens during wars

Thankfully The Don is on hand to hopefully stop both. 

[Spider]

Spazzy Darren could negotiate peace if one side is giving in because it has no choice and the other is getting everything it wants.

Trump is bullying VZ into conceding everything.

Thats not a negotiation, it’s a bollocking.

The only winner is Putin. And Trump.

Who's side is he really on?

[royal white]

Just now, Spider said:

Spazzy Darren could negotiate peace if one side is giving in because it has no choice and the other is getting everything it wants.

Trump is bullying VZ into conceding everything.

Thats not a negotiation, it’s a bollocking.

The only winner is Putin. And Trump.

Who's side is he really on?

Again. He doesn’t have to do anything that The Don says. But by the looks of it  he’s putting the best deal on the table. 

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Thankfully The Don is on hand to hopefully stop both. 

Neither appear to be playing ball though 

Good luck The Don

[wanderer1984]

30 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Giving an invader what they want isn't stopping wars.

What has he asked for and got?

[Bertie]

4 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

What has he asked for and got?

Why do you ask questions you know the answers to?

[Dimron]

54 minutes ago, royal white said:

VZ is siding with the Don, he knows the Don will want Ukraine to cede some land to Russia. If that makes VZ a coward then so be it. He’s probably fed up of all the dying now. 

Putin needs a victory... he has the Ukrainians pocketed in Kursk... just like we did in Falaise and Basra... he has offered to take their surrender. Once he has this he will move forward with a cease fire.

Zelensky is playing for half time and getting everybody into the room an regrouping, playing the dark arts with the 4th Official and lying on the ball.

Once the Ukrainians leave Kursk things will change but Mr Z and his backers need to find a positive spin... won't be too difficult for what is essentially a media company.

[gonzo]

7 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

What has he asked for and got?

He didn't ask for fuck all. He invaded a sovereign state and killed thousands of people.

Now it seems he's ready to broker a deal to keep what he's stolen.

How are you defending this?

[kent_white]

11 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Putin needs a victory... he has the Ukrainians pocketed in Kursk... just like we did in Falaise and Basra... he has offered to take their surrender. Once he has this he will move forward with a cease fire.

Zelensky is playing for half time and getting everybody into the room an regrouping, playing the dark arts with the 4th Official and lying on the ball.

Once the Ukrainians leave Kursk things will change but Mr Z and his backers need to find a positive spin... won't be too difficult for what is essentially a media company.

Reading the story of a few Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk today - who were basically saying the whole thing feels engineered. 

The US withdrew intelligence support and suddenly the Ruskies were on the move and seemed to know exactly where to hit. 

DT being involved in some way or other on a plot like that woundn't suprise me one little bit. If he thinks it's going to help him get Russia to the table and get him his big win. 

[Cheese]

See @Casino. I told you I wasn't the only one who bothers with the moron.

[Spider]

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He didn't ask for fuck all. He invaded a sovereign state and killed thousands of people.

Now it seems he's ready to broker a deal to keep what he's stolen.

How are you defending this?

Because it means they can say Trump won and got peace.

When all he’s done is stop helping a sovereign, democratic nation fight invaders.

The actions of a cowardy cowardy custard.

We didn’t let the argies keep port Stanley. But maybe we would have had the POTUS said it was best.

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Reading the story of a few Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk today - who were basically saying the whole thing feels engineered. 

The US withdrew intelligence support and suddenly the Ruskies were on the move and seemed to know exactly where to hit. 

DT being involved in some way or other on a plot like that woundn't suprise me one little bit. If he thinks it's going to help him get Russia to the table and get him his big win. 

They (Ukrainians) have been on the back foot there for a while now 

[royal white]

Just now, Spider said:

Because it means they can say Trump won and got peace.

When all he’s done is stop helping a sovereign, democratic nation fight invaders.

The actions of a cowardy cowardy custard.

We didn’t let the argies keep port Stanley. But maybe we would have had the POTUS said it was best.

That’s VZ call. No one else’s

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

See @Casino. I told you I wasn't the only one who bothers with the moron.

I don't think there is WUM at play here

I think these are genuine views 

In the same way those who don't like Trump have theirs

And it's all up for debate 

DT didn't get elected by WUMs

If they are WUMs and don't actually believe what they're saying then that's up to them 

But the narrative is real

 

[kent_white]

Just now, royal white said:

They (Ukrainians) have been on the back foot there for a while now 

Yeah I believe so. But they seemed to just crumble all of a sudden. Could absolutely be a coincidence - but I suppose when you go around acting bullish like DT then some people trust you less. 

One of the negatives of his style of leadership I guess......? 

[Dimron]

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Reading the story of a few Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk today - who were basically saying the whole thing feels engineered. 

The US withdrew intelligence support and suddenly the Ruskies were on the move and seemed to know exactly where to hit. 

DT being involved in some way or other on a plot like that woundn't suprise me one little bit. If he thinks it's going to help him get Russia to the table and get him his big win. 

The Russians seem better at reading the battlefield... there was a Ukrainian spring offensive planned using German supplied (non amphibious) tanks and they simply blew the dams and flooded the terrain.

In Kursk Russian special forces carried out a rear guard operation leading to their current position by walking up the now unused gas pipelines.

It probably takes several days for withdrawal of intelligence to affect troops on the ground, it isn't as real time as air warfare, things tend to be more sluggish when dealing with the grunts.

[Not in Crawley]

44 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

We all hope he succeeds 

If this really is some ‘art of the deal’ masterpiece where Putin leaves Ukraine in peace, with its land & sovereignty, in return for being made to look good in front of the Russian propaganda machine, then fair play to him. I’ll be the first to bow down to the six foot Oompa Loompa. 
 

But I think most rational minded people, who don’t have their world view shaped by Twitter algorithms, know how unlikely it is.

Putin wants all of Ukraine to be Russian, or to be a pro Russian government. Until that changes, then giving them large areas of land would be a disaster. And calling that peace would be nonsense.

I’m 99% sure a man intent on colonising Greenland isn’t about to defend another nation’s sovereignty.

I hope I’m wrong

You're not wrong.

I wish I could read about this time rather than living it. 

It's not really a cult, it's just people who aren't well educated looking for a solution 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Dimron said:

Probably, with the exception of maybe Poland, Russia can have the lot in my opinion, I wouldn't risk British lives or waste any more money on weapons

Fucking hell.

An emboldened Russia with a load of newly acquired Europe will simply stop and let the rest of Europe live happily ever after.

At what point do you change your mind, by which time the costs to us will be for greater?

They're not even communists any more.