Meanwhile in Ukraine

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The Russians seem better at reading the battlefield... there was a Ukrainian spring offensive planned using German supplied (non amphibious) tanks and they simply blew the dams and flooded the terrain.

In Kursk Russian special forces carried out a rear guard operation leading to their current position by walking up the now unused gas pipelines.

It probably takes several days for withdrawal of intelligence to affect troops on the ground, it isn't as real time as air warfare, things tend to be more sluggish when dealing with the grunts.

It might well do. Unless you've had information leaked. Which is what I'm suggesting might have happened. 

That intelligence can be fed in both directions. 

[Spider]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

That’s VZ call. No one else’s

He wants Russia to stop killing Ukranians in order to steal their land.

American support means he can keep fighting Putin and beat him back.

instead, he’s being cornered into accepting defeat.

Im not ok with it because I firmly believe Putin will be emboldened to carry on.

Edited March 14, 2025 by Spider

[royal white]

Just now, Spider said:

He wants Russia to stop liking Ukranians in order to steal their land.

American support means he can keep fighting Putin and beat him back.

instead, he’s being cornered into accepting defeat.

Im not ok with it because I firmly believe Putin will be emboldened to carry on.

VZ can listen to Europe and take their lead. He will get plenty of money and military equipment and he can offer mineral deals to all the countries helping him. The Don has been saying since the start that Ukraine will have to cede land. VZ said he’s not going to cede any land, but now he’s siding with The Don. Go figure. 

[wanderer1984]

34 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He didn't ask for fuck all. He invaded a sovereign state and killed thousands of people.

Now it seems he's ready to broker a deal to keep what he's stolen.

How are you defending this?

I'm not defending any of it ... I want it to stop and now Trump is in power there's a real chance that will happen.

Obviously he shouldn't keep any ... @Bertie  seems to know exactly what he wants and where the territory lines will be drawn.

[wanderer1984]

33 minutes ago, Cheese said:

See @Casino. I told you I wasn't the only one who bothers with the moron.

I'm in a cult apparently ... All because I have a different view to you

[wanderer1984]

32 minutes ago, Spider said:

Because it means they can say Trump won and got peace.

Really? I wouldn't stoop as low as you.

Here's you hoping that doesn't happen 

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

I'm not defending any of it ... I want it to stop and now Trump is in power there's a real chance that will happen.

Obviously he shouldn't keep any ... @Bertie  seems to know exactly what he wants and where the territory lines will be drawn.

Why do you think that peace from Trump is his endgame?

[Winchester White]

39 minutes ago, royal white said:

That’s VZ call. No one else’s

Is it fuck!

[wanderer1984]

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Why do you think that peace from Trump is his endgame?

I don't but it's a start ... nobody knows btw 

[Winchester White]

37 minutes ago, Dimron said:

The Russians seem better at reading the battlefield... there was a Ukrainian spring offensive planned using German supplied (non amphibious) tanks and they simply blew the dams and flooded the terrain.

In Kursk Russian special forces carried out a rear guard operation leading to their current position by walking up the now unused gas pipelines.

It probably takes several days for withdrawal of intelligence to affect troops on the ground, it isn't as real time as air warfare, things tend to be more sluggish when dealing with the grunts.

That absolutely didn't happen according to my sources. However I am happy to be proved wrong.

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

I don't but it's a start ... nobody knows btw 

But it's not a 'start' it's bullying and global positioning.

And yes, people do know. That's why people read, study and are understanding of global politics.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Is it fuck!

How is it not? 

[Winchester White]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

How is it not? 

Because Trump is dictating everything, he is hamstrung 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

Because Trump is dictating everything, he is hamstrung 

So you’re saying VZ has to listen to The Don? He should just ignore European and do as The Don says? 

[Winchester White]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

So you’re saying VZ has to listen to The Don? He should just ignore European and do as The Don says? 

I am not doing your circle arguments mate, they are beyond boring and miss the point by a lightyear.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

I am not doing your circle arguments mate, they are beyond boring and miss the point by a lightyear.

There is no circle argument. You think Ukraine have to bow down to the Don and do as he says (even though the war has been going on for 3 years and he’s only been in power 5 mins) they don’t. VZ is the countries leader and it’s his call. 

[wanderer1984]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

But it's not a 'start' it's bullying and global positioning.

And yes, people do know. That's why people read, study and are understanding of global politics.

So you'd rather he pulled away and didn't get involved in negotiations?

Just let it continue ... last country standing.

I'll make my own decisions and thoughts ... Seems you need opinions from others to make yours.

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

There is no circle argument. You think Ukraine have to bow down to the Don and do as he says (even though the war has been going on for 3 years and he’s only been in power 5 mins) they don’t. VZ is the countries leader and it’s his call. 

It's not though is it.

This is USAs call..

[royal white]

Just now, gonzo said:

It's not though is it.

This is USAs call..

No it’s not. This is Ukraine’s war. VZ has a choice, he can go with America which will more than likely leave Russian claiming part of Ukraine. Cowardice I think you said it was. Or they can carry on fighting with the full backing of Europe and other countries.

 

[Winchester White]

Just now, royal white said:

No it’s not. This is Ukraine’s war. VZ has a choice, he can go with America which will more than likely leave Russian claiming part of Ukraine. Cowardice I think you said it was. Or they can carry on fighting with the full backing of Europe and other countries.

 

But the dynamics have changed since Trump got into power. The west was one united side, not so now. Russia and Putin are not our friends, why folk are so happy to appease them is mad.

[gonzo]

The full backing of Europe and other countries?

Without the US?

You reckon?

[Not in Crawley]

17 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

So you'd rather he pulled away and didn't get involved in negotiations?

Just let it continue ... last country standing.

I'll make my own decisions and thoughts ... Seems you need opinions from others to make yours.

That isn't what is happening.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The full backing of Europe and other countries?

Without the US?

You reckon?

Europe don’t want Ukraine to cede any land, nor does VZ (apparently) so why would VZ want to deal with Trump? Make it make sense. 

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

No it’s not. This is Ukraine’s war. VZ has a choice, he can go with America which will more than likely leave Russian claiming part of Ukraine. Cowardice I think you said it was. Or they can carry on fighting with the full backing of Europe and other countries.

 

This is Ukraine's war.

Fucking hell.

[gonzo]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Europe don’t want Ukraine to cede any land, nor does VZ (apparently) so why would VZ want to deal with Trump? Make it make sense. 

Because if he doesn't he will have to concede all of it?

And.. he shouldn't have had to concede any in the first place ffs.