Meanwhile in Ukraine

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It is working, but with a couple of caveats.

Russia is still flogging oil etc to China, as well as some illicit stuff in unregistered vessels. Helps with funding the war effort.

Being in a war-time economy, Putin can put the people through the wringer, with little or no kick-back.

Yep. The expected collapse of the Russian economy didn’t happen. It may in the next year or the next after that. As you say they are being backed by China and North Korea and Iran and maybe other underhand sources. Putin doesn’t care about casualties. He doesn’t think or care in the way we do. He’ll happily keep sending people through the meat grinder without having to answer for his decisions.

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Yep. The expected collapse of the Russian economy didn’t happen. It may in the next year or the next after that. As you say they are being backed by China and North Korea and Iran and maybe other underhand sources. Putin doesn’t care about casualties. He doesn’t think or care in the way we do. He’ll happily keep sending people through the meat grinder without having to answer for his decisions.

Plenty of EU countries are still buying Russian gas as well, Germany and Italy still buy a lot, and I think Czech and Hungary are also large importers, I'm sure there are probably others as well. 

It is the thing that Russia know will continue to be a good revenue source for them. If that for was firmly shut, they really works be in the cack.....unfortunately, these countries probably aren't in much of a position to buy from elsewhere as things stand

[kent_white]

I think that patience, perseverance and backbone would have won out it this particular conflict. If we sell out now - all that the Ukrainians have sacrificed will have been a waste of lives, time and money. We might as well have just let Russia take the provinces it wanted and saved the bloodshed/cost. This is what capitulating at this stage amounts to. 

Anyway - this isn't news to anyone on here. I'm just repeating myself for the hundredth time. 

Do we even bother at all next time? Or we just sit back and allow it to happen? 

[Spider]

2 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

That's all you really care about isn't it? 

Not really

But that’s the part they want to shove down everyone’s throats.

No mention of the fact over a million have died to give Putin his victory.

Nope. Just Trump claiming a victory.

Its what you’d expect from him and his kin though.

graceless cunts

Edited March 16, 2025 by Spider

[London Wanderer]

5 hours ago, royal white said:

What’s made you change your mind? It was only a few weeks back you was in agreement with russia keeping some land

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[wanderer1984]

46 minutes ago, Spider said:

Not really

But that’s the part they want to shove down everyone’s throats.

No mention of the fact over a million have died to give Putin his victory.

Nope. Just Trump claiming a victory.

Its what you’d expect from him and his kin though.

graceless cunts

Says the bloke that been going on and mocking a Trump peace deal for the last year. Fucking obsessed with the bloke you are. Still can't wait?

Over a million have died to give Putin Victory? What's that based on? I'm sure if you asked the family of those that have lost their lives ... they'd say different. 

[Spider]

35 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Says the bloke that been going on and mocking a Trump peace deal for the last year. Fucking obsessed with the bloke you are. Still can't wait?

Over a million have died to give Putin Victory? What's that based on? I'm sure if you asked the family of those that have lost their lives ... they'd say different. 

How else would you describe a scenario where Putin gets to keep what he’s stolen, other than a victory for Putin?

And whilst I’ll acknowledge that trumps arrival has got things moving, I’m not in anyway convinced it’s moved things in the right direction.

Personally, I’d rather stand up to bullies.

[wanderer1984]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

How else would you describe a scenario where Putin gets to keep what he’s stolen, other than a victory for Putin?

And whilst I’ll acknowledge that trumps arrival has got things moving, I’m not in anyway convinced it’s moved things in the right direction.

Personally, I’d rather stand up to bullies.

What has he stolen? Show me lines and what hes been able to keep.

You expect Ukraine to keep fighting with limited back up. Have you seen what's happening in Ukraine ... forcing men to fight?

Nobody knows if it's the right direction but surely it's better than what's currently going on with fuck all else on offer.

Imagine the below being your lad or someone you know. See the whole thread and not just the first.

I'd know I'd be looking for a peace deal just to stop Ukrainians being forced to participate and slaughtered.

Maybe you're against that ... I know you're not but there's no right outcome to ALL of this.

 

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

What has he stolen? Show me lines and what hes been able to keep.

You expect Ukraine to keep fighting with limited back up. Have you seen what's happening in Ukraine ... forcing men to fight?

Nobody knows if it's the right direction but surely it's better than what's currently going on with fuck all else on offer.

Imagine the below being your lad or someone you know. See the whole thread and not just the first.

I'd know I'd be looking for a peace deal just to stop Ukrainians being forced to participate and slaughtered.

Maybe you're against that ... I know you're not but there's no right outcome to ALL of this.

 

You are a simple bloke.

[Spider]

9 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

What has he stolen? Show me lines and what hes been able to keep.

You expect Ukraine to keep fighting with limited back up. Have you seen what's happening in Ukraine ... forcing men to fight?

Nobody knows if it's the right direction but surely it's better than what's currently going on with fuck all else on offer.

Imagine the below being your lad or someone you know. See the whole thread and not just the first.

I'd know I'd be looking for a peace deal just to stop Ukrainians being forced to participate and slaughtered.

Maybe you're against that ... I know you're not but there's no right outcome to ALL of this.

 

He’s invaded sovereign land and him and trump are about to discuss what he gets to keep. Trump has said that.

I know how much of a fan of sovereignty we all are, so this is not ok.

Try and understand what I’m saying.

I know what’s about to happen. It’s disgusting and Trump is enabling Putin.

Encourage a bully and let’s see what happens. Because next time Putin decides he just wants a few acres of another sovereign country, should we just give in immediately to spare lives?

He may wait 4 years. But he’ll do it.

[Spider]

[Spider]

“Here Vlad, tell us what you want sweetheart and I’ll make sure you get it. And if I push a little harder, I reckon my tongue can wrap itself around your prostate”

[Bertie]

Disgusting but expected. Choreographed ever since Trump took power. How anybody can side with Putin & Trump (ie Krasnov) on this is beyond me. Definitely a Russian asset.

Only hope is that UK/Europe/sane countries really step up quickly and support Ukraine in the future in retaining (at any cost) whatever parts of THEIR country the orange moron hasn’t given away.  

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

What has he stolen? Show me lines and what hes been able to keep.

You expect Ukraine to keep fighting with limited back up. Have you seen what's happening in Ukraine ... forcing men to fight?

Nobody knows if it's the right direction but surely it's better than what's currently going on with fuck all else on offer.

Imagine the below being your lad or someone you know. See the whole thread and not just the first.

I'd know I'd be looking for a peace deal just to stop Ukrainians being forced to participate and slaughtered.

Maybe you're against that ... I know you're not but there's no right outcome to ALL of this.

 

I've heard about such moves before.

Firstly, can we be sure that that video is genuine, and what it is purported to be?

Is there an agenda by Lord Bebo, and could it be a pro-Russian account. 

If it is genuine, then bear in mind, the approach Britain took to conscientious objectors. 

There are also reports of some young men, as newly trained soldiers, leaving their posts.

Are there any videos of Russian young men being dragged into service, as there are reports of some young recruits being thrust into the meatgrinder, poorly trained, poorly armed, with senior soldiers behind them ready to put a bullet into them if they don't go forward. 

The fog of war sadly, and I'm sure there are many examples of unpleasant events in both countries. 

I wouldn't be using videos (possibly unverified) from unknown sources to back up a claim either way.

Thankfully, we're not in the war and aren't subject to those societal changes required.

[Cheese]

23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I've heard about such moves before.

Firstly, can we be sure that that video is genuine, and what it is purported to be?

Is there an agenda by Lord Bebo, and could it be a pro-Russian account. 

If it is genuine, then bear in mind, the approach Britain took to conscientious objectors. 

There are also reports of some young men, as newly trained soldiers, leaving their posts.

Are there any videos of Russian young men being dragged into service, as there are reports of some young recruits being thrust into the meatgrinder, poorly trained, poorly armed, with senior soldiers behind them ready to put a bullet into them if they don't go forward. 

The fog of war sadly, and I'm sure there are many examples of unpleasant events in both countries. 

I wouldn't be using videos (possibly unverified) from unknown sources to back up a claim either way.

Thankfully, we're not in the war and aren't subject to those societal changes required.

It's a pro-Kremlin propaganda account. Hardly surprising wanderer1984 holds the views he does if that's where he gets his "news".

[wanderer1984]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

It's a pro-Kremlin propaganda account. Hardly surprising wanderer1984 holds the views he does if that's where he gets his "news".

Focus on the content rather the source 

Maybe bbc, sky and others are making it all up too

[Casino]

others = india

[Tonge moor green jacket]

42 minutes ago, Casino said:

others = india

?

If their reports aren't accurate, then bbc etc must also be inaccurate. 

What they do show is how war time recruitment changes dramatically. 

As I said above, we can't judge on that basis, as we did similar in the world war.

Terribly distasteful, but war is.

As a nation, Ukraine also has different cultural attitudes than us, and until they have had years of independence and free and fair elections, some of those differences will remain. 

[royal white]

3 hours ago, Bertie said:

Disgusting but expected. Choreographed ever since Trump took power. How anybody can side with Putin & Trump (ie Krasnov) on this is beyond me. Definitely a Russian asset.

Only hope is that UK/Europe/sane countries really step up quickly and support Ukraine in the future in retaining (at any cost) whatever parts of THEIR country the orange moron hasn’t given away.  

You mean like VZ? 

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

Focus on the content rather the source 

Maybe bbc, sky and others are making it all up too

When the source is a spreader of pro-Kremlin disinformation, I think it's fair enough to ignore the content. Post the BBC and Sky articles that show the same videos with the same conclusions.

[Bertie]

50 minutes ago, royal white said:

You mean like VZ? 

I think you know the answer to that.  If it helps though I’ll rephrase my original sentence as follows:  

How anybody with free will can side with Putin & Trump (ie Krasnov) 

It’s as clear as day isn’t it that VZ was coerced into this pathway with the threat of the US not resuming intelligence and military aid? Or do you see it differently?

[royal white]

17 minutes ago, Bertie said:

I think you know the answer to that.  If it helps though I’ll rephrase my original sentence as follows:  

How anybody with free will can side with Putin & Trump (ie Krasnov) 

It’s as clear as day isn’t it that VZ was coerced into this pathway with the threat of the US not resuming intelligence and military aid? Or do you see it differently?

You know the answer if he didn’t want to side with Trump, You answered it in your previous post. Europe 

[Farrelli]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

You know the answer if he didn’t want to side with Trump, You answered it in your previous post. Europe 

In the short term he would be allowing his soldiers to be slaughtered without starlink and other US intelligence support. He had no alternative but to side with Trump. Ukraine has been thrown under the bus.

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

In the short term he would be allowing his soldiers to be slaughtered without starlink and other US intelligence support. He had no alternative but to side with Trump. Ukraine has been thrown under the bus.

I think we can all see this is what's happened, sad, but that's where we are with this. Trump, whilst not necessarily "siding" with Putin, is certainly leaning more in that direction, as he sees it as the easiest way to get what he wants. He's desperate for the Nobel Peace Prize and them minerals...

[Farrelli]

18 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I think we can all see this is what's happened, sad, but that's where we are with this. Trump, whilst not necessarily "siding" with Putin, is certainly leaning more in that direction, as he sees it as the easiest way to get what he wants. He's desperate for the Nobel Peace Prize and them minerals...

‘Most’ of us can see.