Meanwhile in Israel

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Bit like here. 

They did vote them in initially despite their obvious priorities.

It doesn't alter the fact that Hamas launched the attack, and had to be dealt with.

Aye

I’m only pointing out the absurdity in generalising that they were hiding behind people who voted for them. They hid in hospitals & schools…

As for who started it… Israel were building new settlements in Gaza & attacking innocent people in the West Bank prior to October 2023. They were occupying & invading land that wasn’t theirs & detaining innocent people without a fair trial.
 

As utterly harrowing that terror attack was, I disagree that Hamas were the only ones on the attack. 

[Cheese]

44 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Bit like here. 

They did vote them in initially despite their obvious priorities.

It doesn't alter the fact that Hamas launched the attack, and had to be dealt with.

Remind us - when was the last parliamentary election in Palestine?

[royal white]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

If you knew this, then why did you post that Hamas were hiding behind the people who probably voted for them? 

What’s wrong with me 😂😂 Classic

 You’ve just made another load of shite up that I didn’t say.

I’ll say it again

 It’s for the Palestinians to decide what to do. Not Donald Trump. The US aren’t the only ones who can help rebuild. And why the fck would Palestinians support one of the most pro Israel presidents the US has ever had to put their interests first? The same guy who removed sanctions on Israeli extremists on his first day in power.

No other significant countries or international bodies are supporting this solution. But you keep telling us it’s a great plan, and if we point out it’s shite, then we’re just thick & wanting them to live in a war zone 😂

Thats my opinion. But I’ll let you twist in whatever weird & wonderful way you like ❤️ 

Well here’s my opinion. 
 

Palestinians will not be able to rebuild alone like some mentalists on here have suggested. 
 

America, whether you agree with them or not will likely have some input on the rebuild, they get involved and it’s what just what they do (see recent conflicts) 

To carry out the rebuild the locals need to be elsewhere. It’s neither safe or realistic to keep them there, living in tents whilst 10s of millions of tonnes of rubble containing tonnes of unexploded ordnance are being removed. 
 

It wasn’t long back people were saying America played a part in this war they should help made to help rebuild. Now that offer is on the table it’s a case of “we don’t need America” 😂

 

Question for the experts. Who’s removing the elected Hamas? 

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

Well here’s my opinion. 
 

Palestinians will not be able to rebuild alone like some mentalists on here have suggested. 
 

America, whether you agree with them or not will likely have some input on the rebuild, they get involved and it’s what just what they do (see recent conflicts) 

To carry out the rebuild the locals need to be elsewhere. It’s neither safe or realistic to keep them there, living in tents whilst 10s of millions of tonnes of rubble containing tonnes of unexploded ordnance are being removed. 
 

It wasn’t long back people were saying America played a part in this war they should help made to help rebuild. Now that offer is on the table it’s a case of “we don’t need America” 😂

 

Question for the experts. Who’s removing the elected Hamas? 

Who on earth on here said they should have to rebuild it all on their own? Either you keep making stuff up or I've missed that post. 

I've nothing against America having an input alongside an international coalition. That's a bit different to Trumps plan to taking the whole of Gaza for themselves though isn't it? 

Many locals want to stay and rebuild and will want to live in UN shelters or the remaining 30% intact accommodation. Yes that won't be safe and presents some seriously practical issues. No doubt I'm sure many will chose to leave. But the problem with leaving is that Israel has historically prevented Palestinians from returning to their land once they've left. 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/15/75-years-later-israel-blocking-palestinian-refugees-return

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/05/israels-refusal-to-grant-palestinian-refugees-right-to-return-has-fuelled-seven-decades-of-suffering/

So many won't take that risk of leaving (and have said this already) knowing they will never be able to return. It's one of the biggest reasons that local countries have stopped opening their borders, because it supports the forced displacement of Palestinians. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Who on earth on here said they should have to rebuild it all on their own? Either you keep making stuff up or I've missed that post. 
 

I've nothing against America having an input alongside an international coalition. That's a bit different to Trumps plan to taking the whole of Gaza for themselves though isn't it? 

Many locals want to stay and rebuild and will want to live in UN shelters or the remaining 30% intact accommodation. Yes that won't be safe and presents some seriously practical issues. No doubt I'm sure many will chose to leave. But the problem with leaving is that Israel has historically prevented Palestinians from returning to their land once they've left. 
 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/15/75-years-later-israel-blocking-palestinian-refugees-return

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/05/israels-refusal-to-grant-palestinian-refugees-right-to-return-has-fuelled-seven-decades-of-suffering/

So many won't take that risk of leaving (and have said this already) knowing they will never be able to return. It's one of the biggest reasons that local countries have stopped opening their borders, because it supports the forced displacement of Palestinians. 

Who on earth on here said they should have to rebuild it all on their own? Either you keep making stuff up or I've missed that post. 
 

You’ve missed the post  - Cheese 

I've nothing against America having an input alongside an international coalition. That's a bit different to Trumps plan to taking the whole of Gaza for themselves though isn't it? 

Trump said in the video I posted they would be working alongside other countries 

Many locals want to stay and rebuild and will want to live in UN shelters or the remaining 30% intact accommodation. Yes that won't be safe and presents some seriously practical issues. No doubt I'm sure many will chose to leave. But the problem with leaving is that Israel has historically prevented Palestinians from returning to their land once they've left. 
 

And many won’t be able to. Egypt and Jordan want to get onboard so maybe they will provide the land that the Don mentioned 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/15/75-years-later-israel-blocking-palestinian-refugees-return

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/05/israels-refusal-to-grant-palestinian-refugees-right-to-return-has-fuelled-seven-decades-of-suffering/

So many won't take that risk of leaving (and have said this already) knowing they will never be able to return. It's one of the biggest reasons that local countries have stopped opening their borders, because it supports the forced displacement of Palestinians. 

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Who on earth on here said they should have to rebuild it all on their own? Either you keep making stuff up or I've missed that post. 
 

You’ve missed the post  - Cheese 

I've nothing against America having an input alongside an international coalition. That's a bit different to Trumps plan to taking the whole of Gaza for themselves though isn't it? 

Trump said in the video I posted they would be working alongside other countries 

Many locals want to stay and rebuild and will want to live in UN shelters or the remaining 30% intact accommodation. Yes that won't be safe and presents some seriously practical issues. No doubt I'm sure many will chose to leave. But the problem with leaving is that Israel has historically prevented Palestinians from returning to their land once they've left. 
 

And many won’t be able to. Egypt and Jordan want to get onboard so maybe they will provide the land that the Don mentioned 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/05/15/75-years-later-israel-blocking-palestinian-refugees-return

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/05/israels-refusal-to-grant-palestinian-refugees-right-to-return-has-fuelled-seven-decades-of-suffering/

So many won't take that risk of leaving (and have said this already) knowing they will never be able to return. It's one of the biggest reasons that local countries have stopped opening their borders, because it supports the forced displacement of Palestinians. 

Did you Mr @Cheese which post was this? 

Trump clearly said that the plan was for Israel to hand over Gaza to the US. Whether they work with other countries or not is irrelevant. A rebuild should be for Palestinians, not US interests. It's not up to the the US to decide who does and doesn't live there. 

Why should Jordan and Egypt provide land? 

Create a Palestinian state and allow them to rebuild and return to their homeland. 

Your continued defence of this bonkers plan is entertaining. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper and making more absurd suggestions. Think you've thought about this even more than Trump has 😆

[kent_white]

I was watching the poor bastards returning to their 'homes' through the Netzarim corridor this morning. It looks reduced to rubble. Reminded me of Dresden or those pictures you see of Hiroshima after the bomb. 

Maybe that's just an area that's been particularly badly hit? But it looked absolutely devastated. 

[royal white]

59 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Did you Mr @Cheese which post was this? 

Trump clearly said that the plan was for Israel to hand over Gaza to the US. Whether they work with other countries or not is irrelevant. A rebuild should be for Palestinians, not US interests. It's not up to the the US to decide who does and doesn't live there. 

Why should Jordan and Egypt provide land? 

Create a Palestinian state and allow them to rebuild and return to their homeland. 

Your continued defence of this bonkers plan is entertaining. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper and making more absurd suggestions. Think you've thought about this even more than Trump has 😆

I know, why would neighbouring countries help their neighbours in these horrific times, how stupid of  me to even think of something so ludicrous. 
 

I’m sure you’re capable of reading a few posts back to see Mr Cheeses suggestion.
 

Yesterday you suggested leaving it to Qatar, amongst others, to help rebuild. Qatar being one of Hamas biggest funders, so let’s not mention absurd suggestions. 🤦🏻🤪🤪
 

You can sulk and moan all you like about America, I don’t agree with how they go about business, but it’s how they do it and whether you like it or not it’s likely they will have a big say in how it’s rebuilt. 

Edited February 9, 2025 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

I know, why would neighbouring countries help their neighbours in these horrific times, how stupid of  me to even think of something so ludicrous. 
 

I’m sure you’re capable of reading a few posts back to see Mr Cheeses suggestion.
 

Yesterday you suggested leaving it to Qatar, amongst others, to help rebuild. Qatar being one of Hamas biggest funders, so let’s not mention absurd suggestions. 🤦🏻🤪🤪
 

You can sulk and moan all you like about America, I don’t agree with how they go about business, but it’s how they do it and whether you like it or not it’s likely they will have a big say in how it’s rebuilt. 

I looked back a few posts and @Cheese hadn't posted anything about Palestine having to rebuild the place by themselves, like you said. That's why I asked which one you meant? 

So - let me get this right. Qatar are funding their neighbours. But also not helping them in these horrific times 😂 You've twisted yourself right up in that post. Make your mind up. 

Countries close by won't accommodate them if there is no deal that allows them to return after. Jordan & Lebanon already home loads of Palestinians who Israel haven't let back. They could offer nice homes with functioning hospitals and schools, but many Palestinians don't want that if there is no chance to return. They want to live on their own land and have their own state. I'm sure they'd love to spend some time across the border whilst the rebuild happens - but why would they say yes if they'd not then be allowed back to their country? 

Why can't Israel home them until it is rebuilt? 

I'm not sulking and moaning about America 😂 How many things have you made up out of thin air today? 😁 It's Trump's plan that I've been criticising. 

The US have every right to have a say in how its rebuilt. But they have no right to own Gaza - that's the key issue with this plan. Not sure why you keep ignoring that bit when blindly supporting it? Even with the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan, they didn't propose it became a US colony in the long run. It's not really how they tend to do business, which is what makes this plan so absurd. 

Edited February 9, 2025 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I looked back a few posts and @Cheese hadn't posted anything about Palestine having to rebuild the place by themselves, like you said. That's why I asked which one you meant? 

So - let me get this right. Qatar are funding their neighbours. But also not helping them in these horrific times 😂 You've twisted yourself right up in that post. Make your mind up. 

Countries close by won't accommodate them if there is no deal that allows them to return after. Jordan & Lebanon already home loads of Palestinians who Israel haven't let back. They could offer nice homes with functioning hospitals and schools, but many Palestinians don't want that if there is no chance to return. They want to live on their own land and have their own state. I'm sure they'd love to spend some time across the border whilst the rebuild happens - but why would they say yes if they'd not then be allowed back to their country? 

Why can't Israel home them until it is rebuilt? 

I'm not sulking and moaning about America 😂 How many things have you made up out of thin air today? 😁 It's Trump's plan that I've been criticising. 

The US have every right to have a say in how it’s rebuilt. But they have no right to own Gaza - that's the key issue with this plan. Not sure why you keep ignoring that bit when blindly supporting it? Even with the likes of Iraq and Afghanistan, they didn't propose it became a US colony in the long run. It's not really how they tend to do business, which is what makes this plan so absurd. 

Another LW classic - yes send them to the country they’re at war with. Fkin genius and I’m pretty sure the good folk of Palestine would rather go to another Muslim country like those mentioned. Great idea though 🤪🤪

 

When Gonzo  asked who should do the rebuilding, he replied Palestine, it’s there in black and white.

 

No idea what you’re on about with Qatar, you said they should do the rebuilding. Absolutely fantastic idea, one of if not the biggest funders of Hamas doing  their rebuilding work. Another classic 

[Casino]

So qatar cant do it cos they fund a set of cunts but the us who fund a set of cunts can

Gnight x

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

So qatar cant do it cos they fund a set of cunts but the us who fund a set of cunts can

Gnight x

I highly doubt the US will be planning on chucking bombs over to Israel from Gaza. 

[London Wanderer]

42 minutes ago, royal white said:

Another LW classic - yes send them to the country they’re at war with. Fkin genius and I’m pretty sure the good folk of Palestine would rather go to another Muslim country like those mentioned. Great idea though 🤪🤪

 

When Gonzo  asked who should do the rebuilding, he replied Palestine, it’s there in black and white.

 

No idea what you’re on about with Qatar, you said they should do the rebuilding. Absolutely fantastic idea, one of if not the biggest funders of Hamas doing  their rebuilding work. Another classic 

Palestinians make up 20% (1.8 million) of Israel's population. There are Muslim communities all over Israel.

That has to be one of the daftest things you've posted in a while 🤣😂You may need to start focusing on things on your doorstep again mate. 

Cheese did say that yes 👍 You said a few posts, but it was about 8 pages. 

It was a daft suggestion, you're right. They of course need support. Do you not think it should be up to them who they choose to fund the rebuilding though? The Saudi, Egyptians, Jordan and Qatar have all supported in the past & Palestine should be free to choose. 

We get nearly 40 % of our liquid gas from Qatar. Not sure we're in any position to say shouldn't take any money from Qatar for the rebuild. Bit odd to find that idea so strange. 

And finally  😉 - why out of interest do you not think Palestine should have its own state?

 

Edited February 9, 2025 by London Wanderer

[Cheese]

On 07/02/2025 at 12:04, gonzo said:

Who better to rebuild it than the yanks?

 

On 07/02/2025 at 12:20, Cheese said:

Palestinians?

I suppose you could interpret this as me saying "The Palestinians should rebuild Gaza from scratch with no help whatsoever", if you were a bit thick.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Palestinians make up 20% (1.8 million) of Israel's population. There are Muslim communities all over Israel.

That has to be one of the daftest things you've posted in a while 🤣😂You may need to start focusing on things on your doorstep again mate. 

Cheese did say that yes 👍 You said a few posts, but it was about 8 pages. 

It was a daft suggestion, you're right. They of course need support. Do you not think it should be up to them who they choose to fund the rebuilding though? The Saudi, Egyptians, Jordan and Qatar have all supported in the past & Palestine should be free to choose. 

We get nearly 40 % of our liquid gas from Qatar. Not sure we're in any position to say shouldn't take any money from Qatar for the rebuild. Bit odd to find that idea so strange. 

And finally  😉 - why out of interest do you not think Palestine should have its own state?

 

So it’s not a Muslim country then like those I mentioned and neither of them are at war with Palestine. You’ve outdone yourself here 😂😂

I know he said it. He’s a mentalist.

when you say “up to them” do you mean Hamas? Because they still seem to be running the show at the moment in Gaza. 
 

Your Qatar reference is a bit odd, we buy gas of them as a power source. They directly fund an internationally recognised terror organisation. 
 

Im not bothered either way if it becomes a state, obviously people in higher authority than me and you think they shouldn’t, really doesn’t  bother me either way. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

 

I suppose you could interpret this as me saying "The Palestinians should rebuild Gaza from scratch with no help whatsoever", if you were a bit thick.

Well you did imply that they built it originally. I guess that would make you out to be a bit thick,

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 

I suppose you could interpret this as me saying "The Palestinians should rebuild Gaza from scratch with no help whatsoever", if you were a bit thick.

Which would be a fair point. But he does like to see things black and white

[Cheese]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

Well you did imply that they built it originally. I guess that would make you out to be a bit thick,

You think nothing has been built in Gaza since 1967? Or are you going back even further? Are you suggesting Israel have only been targetting ancient buildings, and leaving the modern ones alone?

Edited February 9, 2025 by Cheese

[London Wanderer]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

So it’s not a Muslim country then like those I mentioned and neither of them are at war with Palestine. You’ve outdone yourself here 😂😂

I know he said it. He’s a mentalist.

when you say “up to them” do you mean Hamas? Because they still seem to be running the show at the moment in Gaza. 
 

Your Qatar reference is a bit odd, we buy gas of them as a power source. They directly fund an internationally recognised terror organisation. 
 

Im not bothered either way if it becomes a state, obviously people in higher authority than me and you think they shouldn’t, really doesn’t  bother me either way. 

Israel isn't a Muslim country like those you mentioned? What are you rambling on about. 

yes I've outdone myself 🤪for suggesting that Palestinians should have freedom of movement across land that is recognised as their own in the international courts. How fckn stupid of me. 

You have been on one this weekend ❤️ have a rest

The Qatar comment isn't odd at all. We take products and exchange money with those countries. So why is it so daft to suggest Palestinians do the same? 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You think nothing has been built in Gaza since 1967? Or are you going back even further? Are you suggesting Israel have only been targetting ancient buildings, and leaving the modern ones alone?

Nope, I’m suggesting you’re a bit of a simpleton by thinking Gaza can be rebuilt by Palestine’s. 👍

[London Wanderer]

Just now, royal white said:

Nope, I’m suggesting you’re a bit of a simpleton by thinking Gaza can be rebuilt by Palestine’s. 👍

He's just explained that he didn't mean from scratch with no help whatsoever. Have you lost capacity to read a simple sentence fella? 

[royal white]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

Israel isn't a Muslim country like those you mentioned? What are you rambling on about. 

yes I've outdone myself 🤪for suggesting that Palestinians should have freedom of movement across land that is recognised as their own in the international courts. How fckn stupid of me. 

You have been on one this weekend ❤️ have a rest

The Qatar comment isn't odd at all. We take products and exchange money with those countries. So why is it so daft to suggest Palestinians do the same? 

Because they’re funding a terror group. 🤦🏻fuck it let Palestine and Qatar rebuild, leave Hamas in power, start the bombing again and repeat. Have the same debate again in 20-30 years about who’s going to do the rebuild.

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

He's just explained that he didn't mean from scratch with no help whatsoever. Have you lost capacity to read a simple sentence fella? 

He’s not going to shag you lad…..then again..

Out of interest why are you so against others living in Palestine? 

Edited February 9, 2025 by royal white

[Cheese]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nope, I’m suggesting you’re a bit of a simpleton by thinking Gaza can be rebuilt by Palestine’s. 👍

I've already explained you'd have to be a bit thick to interpret my one word post in that way, particularly as there's a question mark at the end of it.

You do realise it's more than likely Trump is going to come out and say something completely different about Palestine in the next week or so, and you're going to look a bit of a gimp when you clap along to whatever nonsense it is next time?

[Dimron]

That's a shame, me and the boys can start Monday... could do with a decent pay day 😉