Meanwhile in Israel

[Bertie]

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Probably correct. The return of very clearly cruelly treated hostages will only add fuel to that fire. A heavy price likely to be paid.

Hi Bolty - I’m agreeing with you here😱.  And not just their abduction or treatment. I think the parading of the hostages on platforms surrounded by masked gunmen as they are released is disgusting. The question becomes though how do Israel react? Bail on stage 2 of the ceasefire?  I can fully empathise with the desire to get the bombs out again….but does anyone honestly think that will fix it? For every terrorist killed I reckon 10 more disillusioned, resentful, orphaned youngsters will want to take their place. Can you kill an ideology by force?  I don’t think so. It mustn’t be appeasement, but to stop eternal conflict both sides need to accept the existence of the other.  Now would be as good a time as any.

[deeane Koontz]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn57neepx4vo

Edited February 10, 2025 by deeane Koontz

[London Wanderer]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Before we start this, can we finally establish what the exchange rate is? Three emaciated men resembling Bergen - Belsen survivors released for around 190 healthy, well fed looking terrorists in exchange who Hamas concocted a story about claiming that seven needed hospital treatment. I saw them dressing a lads knee - not a fucking mark on it or anywhere near.

Still, folk are happy to swallow the 50,000 figure from Hamas. Even if correct, Israel are over 150,000 short of the perceived exchange rate.

Utterly disgraceful what those fucking primitive savages did to these three hostages. Stand by for worse to come.

Cannot disagree with any of that last statement. Only that I bet primitive savages were probably nicer. 

I don't think it's right to assume the Palestinian prisoners have all been treated fairly though. There has been plenty evidence of widespread abuse in these prisons. 

They're definitely not all terrorists that have been released either. Don't get me wrong, you'll find a significant number of people serving life sentences for awful crimes against humanity. 

But putting all 190 in the same box as them is just naïve. Over 100 released over the weekend were people that were rounded up after the attacks with no trial or charge against them. It happens all the time. Innocent people held for months or years with no right to a fair trial. We don't call them hostages when Israel does it. 
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/israeli-hamas-palestinian-west-bank-egypt-b2694598.html

 

[Winchester White]

Yeah that will work out just fine Trump 🙄

[London Wanderer]

On 07/02/2025 at 17:13, royal white said:

Temporarily move them out, crack on with the building work, using locals as well as other countries. Once complete move back in. Jobs a good un .

 

On 08/02/2025 at 19:34, royal white said:

So at no point as he said he wouldn’t let them back in, in fact he’s said quite the opposite.

 

13 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Trump says Palestinians would have no right of return to Gaza under his takeover planhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd7dwq87zvqt
 

RWs understanding of Trump's master plan has aged very well indeed. 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

RWs understanding of Trump's master plan has aged very well indeed. 

As I predicted yesterday... get ready for some weasel words.

[Sweep]

I think from day one it was pretty clear that Trump was suggesting that those he wanted to displace wouldn't be allowed back. Unless I just read it wrong, I thought he was just saying they could be relocated to Jordan and/or Egypt, and that would be that for them.

Anybody who thinks that is a good idea, is clearly a bit daft

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

As I predicted yesterday... get ready for some weasel words.

Surely not ? 

He'll have my full admiration if he attempts some more whatboutery and weasel words after todays news.

Just admit you've misunderstood the Don's words and move on. We've all done it 😄
 

[royal white]

18 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

 

RWs understanding of Trump's master plan has aged very well indeed. 

As I said yesterday (by your own admission you’ve probably forgot) Trumps previous plan allowed for Palestinians to return, that’s the report I was commenting on .

If his new plan is to stop Palestinians returning then that’s a different story. It will never work. I personally think  it’s just a bit of a prod from the Don to get this kind of response. 

[London Wanderer]

16 minutes ago, royal white said:

As I said yesterday (by your own admission you’ve probably forgot) Trumps previous plan allowed for Palestinians to return, that’s the report I was commenting on .

If his new plan is to stop Palestinians returning then that’s a different story. It will never work. I personally think  it’s just a bit of a prod from the Don to get this kind of response. 

I’ve just posted what you said about Trump’s plan, clear as day👍 As another poster said, if you genuinely believed he would allow Palestinians back home, then that’s just a bit daft. 

But we all misunderstand things 👍

At least we both now agree it’s a daft plan that won’t work

 

Edited February 10, 2025 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’ve just posted what you said about Trump’s plan, clear as day👍 As another poster said, if you genuinely believed he would allow Palestinians back home, then that’s just a bit daft. 

But we all misunderstand things 👍

At least we both now agree it’s a daft plan that won’t work

 

It’s there, 30 seconds in.

 

Also the BBC link you are commenting on, have you read it? 

[gonzo]

Is it not just a case of well we offered you a plan and you turned it down, now get fucked and sort your own shit out?

[London Wanderer]

23 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Is it not just a case of well we offered you a plan and you turned it down, now get fucked and sort your own shit out?

The vast majority of Palestinians would love their own state so they could 'sort their own shit out'.

Who's currently preventing that happening? 

[London Wanderer]

45 minutes ago, royal white said:

It’s there, 30 seconds in.

 

Also the BBC link you are commenting on, have you read it? 

There's no need to wriggle back to all your old posts. We've seen what you said. 

You misunderstood his plan, that's been pointed out. As you've just said, the plan won't work 👍We agree don't we ? It's not a good plan, like you initially thought. 

It's fine to change your mind mate, we all do it. 

Edited February 10, 2025 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

11 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

There's no need to wriggle back to all your old posts. We've seen what you said. 

You misunderstood his plan, that's been pointed out. As you've just said, the plan won't work 👍We agree don't we ? It's not a good plan, like you initially thought. 

It's fine to change your mind mate, we all do it. 

Nope, wrong again. 
 

Did you read the BBC report or just the headline? It’s ok if you’ve not read it, might be an idea to do so though. 👍

[London Wanderer]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Nope, wrong again.

Ahh sorry, my mistake.

So you misunderstood the plan to begin with…. now you’ve just admitted it won’t work…..but you still think it’s a good plan ? 😂

Can’t help but admire your whirlwind thinking mate. 

Indeed. But I prefer the full interview he gave on Fox to be honest. Gives a much clearer picture. It demonstrates even more the absurdity of it all.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree then 👍😁

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ahh sorry, my mistake.

So you misunderstood the plan to begin with…. now you’ve just admitted it won’t work…..but you still think it’s a good plan ? 😂

Can’t help but admire your whirlwind thinking mate. 

Indeed. But I prefer the full interview he gave on Fox to be honest. Gives a much clearer picture. It demonstrates even more the absurdity of it all.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree then 👍😁

My comments have been around the clip I posted where he said Palestinians will be allowed back. 
 

3rd time lucky, the BBC report you’re commenting on, have you read it? 

[royal white]

Oh heck

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt

[London Wanderer]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

My comments have been around the clip I posted where he said Palestinians will be allowed back. 
 

I think there lies the answer as to why you misunderstood the plan so much and were so convinced it was a good one.

Three days of posting about why it was a rational idea, based on one short clip 😂😂

He didn’t make it that clear really. Needed a lot of probing and he didn’t clarify if they would all be allowed home to their new ‘citizens of the world paradise’. Everyone apart from you appeared to see the flaws.

What part of the article would you like to discuss? I’m all ears. Would you not prefer to save everyone the boredom and just agree to disagree though? You can love the plan if it makes you happy

 

Edited February 10, 2025 by London Wanderer

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Oh heck

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2056vkpkrgt

It's exactly what Israel wanted as well, unfortunately, let the bombing recommence! 

It'll be interesting to hear what Trump says once it starts again, so think he honestly believes he'd fixed the unfixable. 

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

It's exactly what Israel wanted as well, unfortunately, let the bombing recommence! 

It'll be interesting to hear what Trump says once it starts again, so think he honestly believes he'd fixed the unfixable. 

A lot of folk predicted his proposals for forcibly removing 2 million from their homeland would impact the ceasefire. It could have played its part. Both sides accusing each at the moment, normal service resuming …

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I think there lies the answer as to why you misunderstood the plan so much and were so convinced it was a good one.

Three days of posting about why it was a rational idea, based on one short clip 😂😂

He didn’t make it that clear really. Needed a lot of probing and he didn’t clarify if they would all be allowed home to their new ‘citizens of the world paradise’. Everyone apart from you appeared to see the flaws.

What part of the article would you like to discuss? I’m all ears. Would you not prefer to save everyone the boredom and just agree to disagree though? You can love the plan if it makes you happy

 

It doesn’t matter if the Clip is 3 mins or 3 hours he said he’s going to Palestinians back in. Which the White House press secretary said in the article. 
 

He’s obviously getting a bit carried away, something we have come to accept when old men are presidents. Whether he’s just prodding or being a bit naive I’m pretty confident no plan is going to be put in place that stops Palestinians returning. If there is it’s wrong, but I’ll bet my last pound that won’t be the case. 

[London Wanderer]

42 minutes ago, royal white said:

It doesn’t matter if the Clip is 3 mins or 3 hours he said he’s going to Palestinians back in. Which the White House press secretary said in the article. 
 

He’s obviously getting a bit carried away, something we have come to accept when old men are presidents. Whether he’s just prodding or being a bit naive I’m pretty confident no plan is going to be put in place that stops Palestinians returning. If there is it’s wrong, but I’ll bet my last pound that won’t be the case. 

Bit carried away now is it 😂 announcing you’re going to permanently remove 2 million from their homeland mid ceasefire…

Bless his cotton socks 

Just a harmless old chap 😊

 I’m glad we agree the plan is wrong 👍 Only took us 3 days x 

Edited February 10, 2025 by London Wanderer

[Farrelli]

4 hours ago, Cheese said:

As I predicted yesterday... get ready for some weasel words.

RW is Mr Tangent 😅

Edited February 10, 2025 by Farrelli

[Cheese]

On 09/02/2025 at 20:07, Cheese said:

You do realise it's more than likely Trump is going to come out and say something completely different about Palestine in the next week or so, and you're going to look a bit of a gimp when you clap along to whatever nonsense it is next time?

Should've said "day or so". 🤦‍♂️

Edited February 10, 2025 by Cheese