Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

Am I right in thinking they almost reached peace years back but the Israeli PM got assassinated by some right wing nutjob?

16 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Incredible as it seems, just because you say something is a fact, doesn’t make it so.

 

Good luck in your alternative reality. Israel is committing war crimes and that is not going to bring peace anytime soon.

This thing bout taking sides. There are 3 sides to this argument. Palestinians, Israelis and Hamas. 
The first two I couldn’t even try to take a side. Israel v Hamas? There really is only going to be one winner. While Hamas use civilians and civilian infrastructure as human shields, there will be tragic loss of civilian life. 

15 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

This thing bout taking sides. There are 3 sides to this argument. Palestinians, Israelis and Hamas. 
The first two I couldn’t even try to take a side. Israel v Hamas? There really is only going to be one winner. While Hamas use civilians and civilian infrastructure as human shields, there will be tragic loss of civilian life. 

Quite.

This is the bit that seems lost.

We can see rockets launched from buildings in Gaza. Are these all military installations, readily identifiable by markings etc, or accommodation blocks housing the public?

Why don't Hamas put their rocket launchers on the beach, away from civilians- after all that would be easier given that any imported weapons will probably arrive by boat?

We know the answer to that.

The question of abiding by rules of war is an interesting one: Israel are expected to abide by them and probably rightly so, if they want any moral authority. 

However when some terrorist cuts the head off a baby in your country, then what does that say about the enemy and how you deal with them?

Whatever Israel does is going to have a major impact on the people of Gaza.

As we all know, blanket bombing a country/area/city only creates more and more terrorists. How many of these children will grow up blaming Hamas for this escalation? Few if any. They will only see Israeli aggression and destruction. They will seek revenge. It’s a cycle that continues and continues. And by taking a side (as Downing Street did and Sheffield City Hall) by flying the flag of Israel, we will probably end up feeling the brunt of this terrorism ourselves further down the line.

What’s more the Arab world will only see one side to all of this. That’s dangerous.

1 hour ago, frank_spencer said:

The main issue as I see it is the Palestinians are led by a group who want to destroy Israel and thank what they perceive as their land back. Israel is led by a group who see Palestine as Israeli land and are going to claim it through what ever means necessary. So until both sides are led by sensible people committed to the 2 state solution then this cycle will continue forever.

Spot on 

One of those rare occasions on here where everyone can be right with what they say about one side or the other .

Hamas are cunts for what they did / doing and responsible for this but see it as retribution 

Israel acting like cunts prior to this and see their actions now as retribution. 
 

innocent people have been and will continue to be killed because of the first two lines . 

It will go on forever without a two state solution 

Two state solution isn’t acceptable to those wanting destruction of Israel and those who claim Palestinian land is Israel , it’s getting less so each time a rocket goes off and seems far away now from when it nearly was agreed . 
 

impossible to take sides and say ones right and the others not in my opinion , I certainly can’t 

You  can support Palestinian right to a state at the same time as supporting Israel’s right to exist and condemn both for their actions simultaneously, along with feeling heartbreak for the innocent people on both sides who are inevitably going to be killed . 
 

it’s a shit show 
 

 

 

 

I`d change the name from occupied territories for a start. 

13 hours ago, stevieb said:

I remember someone like Miami shagged a Jewish bird once. 

Said she was a proper goer. 

 

3 hours ago, Spider said:

Now

I reckon she was shat directly out of Satan’s anus wrapped in cling film, but even I can’t disagree with what she actually says here.

Glorifying the murder of civilians is a cunts trick and they are doing it purely to wind folk up.

Honestly it’s just bad timing, all they are are pro Palestine supporters and are in no way celebrating the attacks in Israel 🙄

 

As a cleverer man than me said, any eye for an eye leaves us both blind. 

4 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Her actual quote was "Behaviours that are legitimate in some circumstances, for example the waving of a Palestinian flag, may not be legitimate such as when intended to glorify acts of terrorism."

That seems fair enough, no?

Totally

 I read the same. The problem is with this, as with other new policing policies, is that the correct judgement isn’t always made. A lot of Muslims support Palestine and despise Hamas. Are police going to target every Pro Palestine protest because it glorifies terrorism? 
 

To be honest, i think her words are being taken out of context. But time will tell.

28 minutes ago, royal white said:

Honestly it’s just bad timing, all they are are pro Palestine supporters and are in no way celebrating the attacks in Israel 🙄

The video you posted was from the Downing Street demonstration. That wasn’t organised to celebrate anything. Can’t go painting every Palestine sympathiser as a terrorist now can you 😉

Find me a better a video and we can agree on something for a change x

3 hours ago, globaldiver said:

You need to read up and learn

starting with conservative woman?

why do Israel ignore UN resolutions by the bucket load?

Why is it accepted?

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

This thing bout taking sides. There are 3 sides to this argument. Palestinians, Israelis and Hamas. 

id say theres at least one other side

israeli politicians and their military

15 minutes ago, Casino said:

id say theres at least one other side

israeli politicians and their military

The invisible bogeyman too. Don’t forget.

Edited October 11, 20232 yr by tomski

24 minutes ago, Casino said:

starting with conservative woman?

why do Israel ignore UN resolutions by the bucket load?

Why is it accepted?

It's a good point, but goes back to the tit-for-tat approach.

If some of the Arabs stopped their fundamentalism, and stopped demanding destruction of the state, then Israel would have to start abiding by resolutions or face sanctions etc.

That's never going to happen whilst they're continually persecuted- folk still have memories of the last effort of mass murder- and the western world won't allow that to happen again.

I've seen video of ultra orthodox Jews abusing and assaulting others, including Christians, in Israel so they do have issues to address.

Public can play their part if so inclined, by not buying Israeli exports and writing to mps etc. 

3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

This thing bout taking sides. There are 3 sides to this argument. Palestinians, Israelis and Hamas. 
The first two I couldn’t even try to take a side. Israel v Hamas? There really is only going to be one winner. While Hamas use civilians and civilian infrastructure as human shields, there will be tragic loss of civilian life. 

aye, Israel v Palestine, I'd read both sides of the argument and can't land on a side, it's a dispute that will rumble on for ever

Israel v Hamas

fair enough

but this doesn't look like Israel v Hamas

 

 

Hamas probably wanted this outcome just as much as Israel

Palestine is being fucked over from all sides it seems

Bit like encountering a full blown domestic outside a boozer.

Better to leave well alone. Youve no idea who is right and you end up getting twatted by the pair of em.

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

The video you posted was from the Downing Street demonstration. That wasn’t organised to celebrate anything. Can’t go painting every Palestine sympathiser as a terrorist now can you 😉

Find me a better a video and we can agree on something for a change x

There’s a shit load knocking about if you want to have a look. If you honestly think those 1000s who took to the streets waving flags and setting off flares and fireworks just a few hours after the first attack on Israel were part of a pro Palestine demo and not celebrating the attack then more fool you.

 

Gullible was the word wasn't it?

Edited October 11, 20232 yr by royal white

20 minutes ago, royal white said:

part of a pro Palestine demo and not celebrating the attack then more fool you.

if i'd been born and brought up in palestine, felt like id been treated like shit and since escaped to a better life, my initial reaction would probably have been fucking well done, take that you bastards

id not now be proud of my response having had more detail but i could see why folk might react in such a way

in other news, will it be OK if we light wembley up in the israeli colours?

lot of pressure on the fa to do so, much of it from keep politics out of sport types

also be interesting to see if theres a minutes silence for ALL the victims

13 minutes ago, Casino said:

if i'd been born and brought up in palestine, felt like id been treated like shit and since escaped to a better life, my initial reaction would probably have been fucking well done, take that you bastards

id not now be proud of my response having had more detail but i could see why folk might react in such a way

I doubt most of them had. 

17 minutes ago, Casino said:

if i'd been born and brought up in palestine, felt like id been treated like shit and since escaped to a better life, my initial reaction would probably have been fucking well done, take that you bastards

id not now be proud of my response having had more detail but i could see why folk might react in such a way

Maybe you, me and anyone would.

Which wouldn't be right, though perhaps understandable. 

Same could be true for both groups.

As these individuals are here though, they should abide by our laws.

If anyone from either side breaks those laws, then expect to be dealt with accordingly. 

Police do have to be careful of course, but sooner or later they will have to take action.

19 minutes ago, Casino said:

in other news, will it be OK if we light wembley up in the israeli colours?

lot of pressure on the fa to do so, much of it from keep politics out of sport types

also be interesting to see if theres a minutes silence for ALL the victims

No to both. There’s  wars all over the world that have seen many more deaths that this. Not sure why this one is more deserving for wanting a better word.