Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both?

 

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

They want to be under Chinese rule. The same as some Ukrainians want to be under Russian rule

Think a few Norns would want an Irish invasion too.

Wise decision from the FA.

Seems fair to me.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Seems fair to me.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

Might be if palestinian kids had any influence over the release of hostages, perhaps

7 minutes ago, Casino said:

Might be if palestinian kids had any influence over the release of hostages, perhaps

It’s a nasty thing war, Hamas take hostages rape and chop heads off, Israelis have to try something to attempt to get folk released…hamas already killed Israeli babies so  I’ll not be calling Israel out for blockading supplies. 

Edited October 12, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

1 hour ago, Sweep said:

They want to be under Chinese rule. The same as some Ukrainians want to be under Russian rule

Ah I see. The number of folk wanting Russian rule in Ukraine is small, never more so than now. Also, they are typically the older ones who remember the Soviet days when things had 'order'. Russia isn't like that anymore.

13 hours ago, stevieb said:

I'm still finding it mad that Israel with the iron dome over Tel Aviv and one of the biggest intelligence agencies in Mossad is getting caught out by a goat herder on a paraglider...

 

Supposedly they had constructed a mock town within Gaza to practice their invasion. 

Videos show some of them in full combat fatigues.

Plenty of equipment being supplied.

Theyre far from a bunch of goat herders.

12 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Keep your eye on Serbia/Kosovo

Check out the pipeline damage between Finland and Estonia.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/11/nato-vows-to-respond-if-finland-estonia-gas-pipeline-damage-is-deliberate

Maybe time to invest in precious metals!

 

Davros!

Kinell, acting was so wooden then!

12 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ve spent lots of time over the last 30 years in Turkey on business, all Muslims, lovely people and good friends… I’m in textile game, our business is Jewish owned, many of our suppliers are Muslim Brits, most of them decent folk. None of them Muslim terrorists. 

You have to shop around for the best deal. Terrorists needs towels too.

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s a nasty thing war, Hamas take hostages rape and chop heads off, Israelis have to try something to attempt to get folk released…hamas already killed Israeli babies so  I’ll not be calling Israel out for blockading supplies. 

I find it odd that you want to hear from independent sources before you'll believe the Israeli army of indiscriminate bombing, yet choose to repeat the beheading claim that was rubbished by everyone, including the IDF 48 hours ago.  

Undoubtedly c*nts on both sides like. 

 

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s a nasty thing war, Hamas take hostages rape and chop heads off, Israelis have to try something to attempt to get folk released…hamas already killed Israeli babies so  I’ll not be calling Israel out for blockading supplies. 

israeli troops kill kids with no better weapons than catapults

so, all israelis are legitimate targets?

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s a nasty thing war, Hamas take hostages rape and chop heads off, Israelis have to try something to attempt to get folk released…hamas already killed Israeli babies so  I’ll not be calling Israel out for blockading supplies. 

That is utter nonsense. Israel is a country not a terrorist organisation. 

This is what I wrote on another forum back in 2014 - looks like nothing has changed....

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I've met a few Palestinians in my time and like all peoples they're a mixed bunch. Totally understand their desire for an independent Palestinian state - after all they've lived there long before the West created Israel after the War and for the most part co-existed with their Jewish neighbours relatively peacefully.
But somewhere along the line I have trouble understanding why Hamas are so stupid.
Don't they understand that the Israelis are a modern military force with serious weaponry and are backed by the West?

In the current conflict, 53 Israeli soldiers have been killed - and 3 civilians.
At least 1250 Palestinians have died - nearly all civilians.

Even Hamas must be able to see the internet images of Jews enjoying a picnic in the hills watching the firework display as Gaza is bombed to bits?

Surely Hamas should be able to come up with better tactics than firing a few roman candles over the wall or digging tunnels that lead to an open and exposed plain?

If they are able to smuggle those rockets through the blockade into Gaza, they shouldn't have much of a problem (relatively) in taking out a few Israeli cities by poisoning the water supply or blowing up a few power plants. So why walk into the trap that is Gaza and condemn thousands of their own women and children to an inevitable death?

Israel could walk into Gaza behind their tanks and take over in a day but they want to sit back and ethnically cleanse the area.
The Palestinians want their own state - in fact the British Govt of the 40s promised them their own state and then sold them out (like we do) 
Hamas elected? There doesn't seem to be an alternative to Hamas - it would be like not voting for the Cosa Nostra candidate in Sicily. As always, it's the ordinary people that suffer and the current state of affairs isn't a choice - they've been driven to it by oppressive neighbours and arrogant leaders.
Hamas are to blame for sure, but so is Israel.

...and so is Britain seeing as our actions following the Balfour Declaration and the McMahon-Hussein Correspondence (when we put the Al-Saud's in power of Arabia as a by-product) created a problem that will run on and on until a two state solution is agreed.

It's a long read but worth it, goes into the history and how fucked up things are and probably sadly always will be.

50 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

That is utter nonsense. Israel is a country not a terrorist organisation. 

It's not, but there is a huge irony about it.

Loping babies' heads off is a pretty hideous war crime.

The practical situation is that aid does find its way to the torrorists- Japanese provisions apparently found on the body of a Hamas fighter- so the well meaning actions of organisations do have knock on effects.

Dunno what the answer is, but fwiw I reckon that once Israeli troops go in and establish 'a base', they will then open corridors for supplies.

47 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

It's a long read but worth it, goes into the history and how fucked up things are and probably sadly always will be.

Yeh, read that last night. Can’t argue with any of it. Unfortunately, this sums it all up.

“Solutions, you ask? I can’t say I have any. If you came here for that, I’m sorry”

 

59 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

It's a long read but worth it, goes into the history and how fucked up things are and probably sadly always will be.

I agree with all of that apart from one historical point - all the land from the RIver Jordan to the sea - including modern day Israel - was originally only inhabited by Arabs - way before the Prophet Mohammad came on the scene in the early 7th Century and they started to convert to Islam. There were very few Jews until the Israelites conquered the Canaanites who lived there and that was around 1200 BC (Moses army after fleeing the Egyptians - the "promised land" was actually someone else's)

It's changed hands so many times since that neither side has a valid claim.

Edited October 12, 20232 yr by Wanderlust

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

That is utter nonsense. Israel is a country not a terrorist organisation. 

Israel as a state will be held accountable to the Geneva convention , who’s holding hamas to account? 

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

It's a long read but worth it, goes into the history and how fucked up things are and probably sadly always will be.

 

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Yeh, read that last night. Can’t argue with any of it. Unfortunately, this sums it all up.

“Solutions, you ask? I can’t say I have any. If you came here for that, I’m sorry”

 

topple hamas

give palestine a break and allow them to live in humane conditions

then see what happens next

or just carry on

1 minute ago, Zico said:

 

topple hamas

give palestine a break and allow them to live in humane conditions

then see what happens next

or just carry on

Better still, give them an independent state as originally promised.

5 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

I agree with all of that apart from one historical point - all the land from the RIver Jordan to the sea - including modern day Israel - was originally only inhabited by Arabs - way before the Prophet Mohammad came on the scene in the early 7th Century and they started to convert to Islam. There were very few Jews until the Israelites conquered the Canaanites who lived there and that was around 1200 BC (Moses army after fleeing the Egyptians - the "promised land" was actually someone else's)

 

Who's was it?

Where did the israelites come from?

How far do you do back?

No doubt just tribal differences at some point. 

Evolution of mankind perhaps, with some areas and groups evolving quicker than others.

 

1 minute ago, Wanderlust said:

Better still, give them an independent state as originally promised.

As MickyD posted- they were offered it, and rejected it.

Keeps coming back to the refusal to accept the existence of Israel.

It's all fucked up.

1 hour ago, Duck Egg said:

I find it odd that you want to hear from independent sources before you'll believe the Israeli army of indiscriminate bombing, yet choose to repeat the beheading claim that was rubbished by everyone, including the IDF 48 hours ago.  

Undoubtedly c*nts on both sides like. 

 

On beheading im only repeating what Biden has said on the beheading, it’s an independent and verified claim by the US president and that’s why I mentioned it. The IDF haven’t said beheading didn’t happen, in fact soldiers testimonies have given evidence that it did. I’ll await independent verification on Jewish atrocities before I pass comment. 

Edited October 12, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

1 hour ago, Casino said:

israeli troops kill kids with no better weapons than catapults

so, all israelis are legitimate targets?

Sadly hamas hide amongst innocent kids and civilians and are killed in bombings, one think for sure the Israel troops won’t be murdering kids when they put boots on the ground… unlike Hamas have done.. you know walking up to kids and choosing to kill them. Hamas started this latest action.. its on them.