Meanwhile in Israel

[bolty58]

16 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

What are the death scores of innocent civilians slaughtered so far?

Depends if you are or aren't prepared to swallow the lies of inhuman terrorists who have been exposed as depraved and dishonest at every turn. Crack on though if it suits your 'loyalties' or hatred.

[Zico]

8 hours ago, mickbrown said:

It’s complicated as fuck. 
 

 

That's the bit I've always struggled with, because of what happened during the war it was decided Jews could call Israel home and start treating Palestinians the way they were treated whilst they moved in to their new home

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

Yet here you are calling out the capabilities of those on the front line

Damn right. And that view is backed up by the views of many experts in war & human rights. But what do they know ey. None of what the IDF do is deliberate & it’s just the nature of frontline action 🙈

Soldiers aren’t immune to criticism because of the pressure they are under. The IDF is a different kettle of fish because it has its own bias and vested interests. And it is made up of a variety of citizens, some who hate Palestinians & some who sympathise with them and likely want peace. Yet they are still asked to implement some awful policies.

As the Holocaust survivor says above,

Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent
 

Stop trying to pretend you know anything of this conflict. You clearly haven’t made any effort to understand the history and why people continue to protest, even after Hamas’ atrocities.

And you’re going to have to boycott Twitter today after Musks latest announcement. Where are you going to get all your thunder cunt videos from now? 😂

Edited October 29, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Damn right. And that view is backed up by the views of many experts in war & human rights. But what do they know ey. None of what the IDF do is deliberate & it’s just the nature of frontline action 🙈

Soldiers aren’t immune to criticism because of the pressure they are under. The IDF is a different kettle of fish because it has its own bias and vested interests. And it is made up of a variety of citizens, some who hate Palestinians & some who sympathise with them and likely want peace.

As the Holocaust survivor says above,

Jewish Israeli historians have shown without a doubt that the expulsion of Palestinians was persistent, pervasive, cruel, murderous and with deliberate intent
 

Stop trying to pretend you know anything of this conflict. You clearly haven’t made any effort to understand the history and why people continue to protest, even after Hamas’ atrocities.

And you’re going to have to boycott Twitter today after Musks latest announcement. Where are you going to get all your thunder cunt videos from now? 😂

I told you earlier, at no point have I tried to make out I know a lot of this conflict. I dont, so again I will tell you my main points have been on the actions of people over here (that’s the U.K.) and the comments on people who think they know more than those on the front line. 

You posted a photo of a young kid that was shot by Israeli forces with No back story to it. Why was the kid shot? Did IDF target him purposely? Did they break into his house and execute him? Did they get caught in the cross fires between IDF and Palestinians. Post the full story if you can it would make things easier. 

[London Wanderer]

33 minutes ago, royal white said:

I told you earlier, at no point have I tried to make out I know a lot of this conflict. I dont.

👍 So you’ve spent the past 3 weeks trying to tell a whole movement what to do and how to behave about a conflict you know nothing about 😂🙈

 Enjoy your Sunday 👍 You can look up the story yourself. 

[royal white]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

👍 So you’ve spent the past 3 weeks trying to tell a whole movement what to do and how to behave about a conflict you know nothing about 😂🙈

 Enjoy your Sunday 👍 You can look up the story yourself. 

Not one question answered 😂😂

 

And Yes of course that’s exactly it. I wish I could bow down to your superior knowledge because you’ve been there. (You sound like those clowns who have done a tour down the shankhill and then claim to know all about the troubles) 

 

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[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

👍 So you’ve spent the past 3 weeks trying to tell a whole movement what to do and how to behave about a conflict you know nothing about 😂🙈

 Enjoy your Sunday 👍 You can look up the story yourself. 

You could have ended with a boom there, but probably a bit poor taste given the situation.

But what you've done is exposed a lot of what is wrong in a lot the commenting on this conflict - very little listening and a lot of noise about a situation thats very complex that many have only a passing knowledge of.

I said yesterday I'm not sure why you bother as it's a waste of time, but I was mistaken.

Edited October 29, 2023 by Not in Crawley

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You could have ended with a boom there, but probably a bit poor taste given the situation.

But what you've done is exposed a lot of what is wrong in a lot the commenting on this conflict - very little listening and a lot of noise about a situation thats very complex that many have only a passing knowledge of.

I said yesterday I'm not sure why you bother as it's a waste of time, but I was mistaken.

The man who bothers whilst questioning why others do.

 

😂😂😂

 

No doubt you will be fully up to date on the conflict like you like to make out on virtually every other subject. 

[bolty58]

40 minutes ago, royal white said:

The man who bothers whilst questioning why others do.

 

😂😂😂

 

No doubt you will be fully up to date on the conflict like you like to make out on virtually every other subject. 

Corbynites. Happy to stand on platforms with terrorist scum and raise a clenched fist.

I don't know why you bother mate if I am honest. For all their bleating, they know what is coming. No one in Israel will take a blind bit of notice of 'superior intellect' chardonnay socialist types who are either brainwashed by or actually are extreme left wing teachers.

[deeane Koontz]

6 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Depends if you are or aren't prepared to swallow the lies of inhuman terrorists who have been exposed as depraved and dishonest at every turn. Crack on though if it suits your 'loyalties' or hatred.

 

Crack on if you think some innocent lives are more important than others.

[globaldiver]

Our left seem quite happy to side with Hamas, who have been preparing for this action for up to 2 years, but with no plan to protect the citizens of Gaza against the inevitable response from Israel.

[gonzo]

29 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

Our left seem quite happy to side with Hamas, who have been preparing for this action for up to 2 years, but with no plan to protect the citizens of Gaza against the inevitable response from Israel.

Pretty sad an issue like this becomes a left v right thing isnt it.

 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, deeane Koontz said:

 

Crack on if you think some innocent lives are more important than others.

You need reminding of how it was before the 7th October. Your side decided to take many innocent lives with depravity and butchery beyond human decency. I didn't see them dropping warning leaflets from their microlites. Nor did I see them being brave enough to go anywhere near the 'enemy' soldiers.

Oh no, pregnant women, babies and the elderly are their preferred targets. You must wear your checked scarf with pride (or have you checked the wearing of your pride scarf?).

[bolty58]

13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Pretty sad an issue like this becomes a left v right thing isnt it.

 

Only because the left adopted the cause they follow many, many years ago. Reference material? Jeremy Corbyn.

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Only because the left adopted the cause they follow many, many years ago. Reference material? Jeremy Corbyn.

Aye, folk hijacking a cause.

Watched Jimmy Carr on Joe Rogan last night and they got on to stuff like this, find it all really interesting.

He said we are at the stage now if you pick 5 topics and someone tells you their view on one of them, you know straight away their views on the other 4.

Theres folk on the left parading the streets standing shoulder to shoulder with folk who'd happily have them turfed off the nearest building.

 

[globaldiver]

17 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Aye, folk hijacking a cause.

Watched Jimmy Carr on Joe Rogan last night and they got on to stuff like this, find it all really interesting.

He said we are at the stage now if you pick 5 topics and someone tells you their view on one of them, you know straight away their views on the other 4.

Theres folk on the left parading the streets standing shoulder to shoulder with folk who'd happily have them turfed off the nearest building.

 

Quite

[Tonge moor green jacket]

54 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Pretty sad an issue like this becomes a left v right thing isnt it.

 

Indeed.

Strangely, the "environment" is also gradually going that way.

When a storm blows or a fire engulfs a woodland, it doesn't give a fuck about the political view the inhabitants of the area have.

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, globaldiver said:

Our left seem quite happy to side with Hamas, who have been preparing for this action for up to 2 years, but with no plan to protect the citizens of Gaza against the inevitable response from Israel.

There is no right/left only right or wrong. As usual you want to frame it as such. Very sad.

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

There is no right/left only right or wrong. As usual you want to frame it as such. Very sad.

Dont think its him framing it that way all.

Its just the way it is bu it shouldn't be.

 

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Dont think its him framing it that way all.

Its just the way it is bu it shouldn't be.

 

His post starts with a dig at the left.  Bolty is banging on about Jeremy Corbyn!  Why?

It has no place in this discussion but as you said in your Jimmy Carr post, these days everything is polarised.  

Probably my last post on here for a while.  There is no point debating with folk who believe more bombing by Israel is a solution.  

[Farrelli]

On 28/10/2023 at 09:39, London Wanderer said:

It’s quite clear that the responses are different in the scale of bombing and time frame. No point getting sucked into the technicalities. 

Aye I did but won’t be doing from now. All the best👍

[mickbrown]

There’s no place for nuance anymore. 
 

That’s why I’ve mainly avoided this thread   

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

His post starts with a dig at the left.  Bolty is banging on about Jeremy Corbyn!  Why?

 

His post is a statement of fact.

Bolty refers to Corbyn because of his extreme views, which help to confirm the initial initial post.

Maybe it shouldn't be about left and right, but that's often how it breaks down.

Starmer has a very difficult balancing act on his hands, but if he sticks to his initial guns, then he'll get support from some of these traditional red wall voters that have gone. He may lose some of the Muslim votes on the other hand.

I have some sympathy for him, as this war has brought it all to the fore again, perhaps when he least needed it.

 

[royal white]

Speaking of Corbyn, I see he has a tweet on his page blaming an Israeli air strike for taking out that hospital and killing 500 people. Nearly 130k likes and 10s of thousands of retweets for a lie. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

24 minutes ago, royal white said:

Speaking of Corbyn, I see he has a tweet on his page blaming an Israeli air strike for taking out that hospital and killing 500 people. Nearly 130k likes and 10s of thousands of retweets for a lie. 

That's the way it is.

His mate MacDonald gone protesting too. At least that's an honest, overt action.