Wanderlust Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: It will be interesting to see how the Isreal government deals with this it should arrest and put them on trial, if it does not then the Israeli government is culpable in the same way the that Palestinian government is for the massacres by Hamas. That's the point though. The Israeli Government is behind it. The messaianists believe that God won't return to earth until the Israelis own all the land between the Red Sea and the River Jordan which includes all of the West Bank and when God returns all other people including Christians and Muslims will become the "slaves of the Jewish people". International Law says otherwise, but the Israelis have flouted it for years and are systematically driving the Palestinians out of Palestine leaving them with nowhere to go. The Israeli government not only endorses the actions of the settlers but uses it's army to enforce settlement and the expulsion of the Palestinians - hence the uprising - a by-product of which has been the acceleration of the killings and evictions in the West Bank in recent weeks. The main tactic however has been to harrass the Palestinians off their land, deny non-Jews any right to build on their own land whilst simultaneously running massive construction projects to build Jewish settlements and encourage a massive influx of settlers into the area - 50 years ago there were practically no Jews in the West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem - now there are over 600k. In some cases they literally steal people's homes and get the army in to back them up. Quote
Traf Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 29 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: It will be interesting to see how the Isreal government deals with this it should arrest and put them on trial, if it does not then the Israeli government is culpable in the same way the that Palestinian government is for the massacres by Hamas. Been going on for years. This conflict is way more than a month old. It has only become news since Israel suffered widescale casualties. Quote
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Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Winchester White said: There is no proper Palistinian government. The closest to one is the PA which is mainly Fatah and has limited power in the occupied West Bank only. Hamas controls Gaza and rules as a dictatorship, killing anyone opposed to them. The PA is in no way culpable for Hamas. The Palestinians voted Hamas into power and since then Hamas have done nothing but attack Israel, put Palestinians in danger, in what world does the population put up with that situation? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Traf said: Been going on for years. This conflict is way more than a month old. It has only become news since Israel suffered widescale casualties. It’s been well documented and on the news sporadically for all my lifetime. There is a big difference between what Hamas did and what these settlers are doing, neither are right and proper but let’s not compare Hamas and these settlers like for like…. During the video I saw Israeli army dragging these settlers away and arresting them, nothing of the sort has happened to the baby beheaders in Palestine. Quote
Moderators Casino Posted October 31, 2023 Moderators Posted October 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: nothing of the sort has happened to the baby beheaders in Palestine. no babies were beheaded they were killed which is disgusting, but here we have it, bullshit being believed without question Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 31, 2023 Moderators Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: It’s been well documented and on the news sporadically for all my lifetime. There is a big difference between what Hamas did and what these settlers are doing, neither are right and proper but let’s not compare Hamas and these settlers like for like…. During the video I saw Israeli army dragging these settlers away and arresting them, nothing of the sort has happened to the baby beheaders in Palestine. 48 minutes ago, Casino said: no babies were beheaded they were killed which is disgusting, but here we have it, bullshit being believed without question If the number of dead Palestinians reported is to be questioned because of the source then we're definitely going to have to try and clear up the fact no one has actually confirmed or proved babies were beheaded And don't for one second think I'm sticking up for hamas Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Zico said: If the number of dead Palestinians reported is to be questioned because of the source then we're definitely going to have to try and clear up the fact no one has actually confirmed or proved babies were beheaded And don't for one second think I'm sticking up for hamas I’d not be fact checking usung Al Jazeera. Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: It will be interesting to see how the Israel government deals with this it should arrest and put them on trial, if it does not then the Israeli government is culpable in the same way the that Palestinian government is for the massacres by Hamas. The Israeli government deliberately moves these people into Palestinian territory and allows them to do this. It is planned. It goes unchecked and it only breeds further violence. You seem to have finally worked out that both sides are culpable 👍 Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’d not be fact checking usung Al Jazeera. What have they said about the neo-natal wards being without power and forced to close? Is that Muslim propaganda? Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 31, 2023 Moderators Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I’d not be fact checking usung Al Jazeera. They are using things like the new York post, CNN and the white house and other such sources In any case Israel were able to almost instantly prove that they didn't bomb the hospital and that it came from Gaza However, they've still not been able to prove babies were beheaded Funny that Quote
London Wanderer Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Zico said: They are using things like the new York post, CNN and the white house and other such sources In any case Israel were able to almost instantly prove that they didn't bomb the hospital and that it came from Gaza However, they've still not been able to prove babies were beheaded Funny that Did you see what happened in Maccy Ds though? Mental I blame the teachers that brainwashed them. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The Israeli government deliberately moves these people into Palestinian territory and allows them to do this. It is planned. It goes unchecked and it only breeds further violence. You seem to have finally worked out that both sides are culpable 👍 Killing babies knowingly and hiding under hospitals thus using muslim babies as shields makes one side more culpable than the other. Quote
gonzo Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Casino said: no babies were beheaded they were killed which is disgusting, but here we have it, bullshit being believed without question Ive seen videos that I hope and pray are fake and you are right. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, gonzo said: Ive seen videos that I hope and pray are fake and you are right. Why would you knowingly watch such stuff? There’s no delete button in your head. Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 31, 2023 Site Supporter Posted October 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Why would you knowingly watch such stuff? There’s no delete button in your head. That's my normal philosophy- however I made the exception because of the misinformation that goes on. On the video and stills the images weren't there for long and it could be difficult to interpret. It did appear that there were beheaded folk though I might be wrong. One video clearly showed someone trying to behead a victim with tool/weapon but thankfully the vid didn't continue for long. The perverse thing is, that whether they were beheaded or not shouldn't matter, but somehow the method of murder is seemingly being graded. Folk of all ages were butchered, stabbed, shot, burned etc, and it's all there. More stuff has been made available for journalists and senior political figures too. Quote
royal white Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Why would you knowingly watch such stuff? There’s no delete button in your head. How would you ever know if something has happened? 🤷🏻♂️ Quote
mickbrown Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, royal white said: How would you ever know if something has happened? 🤷🏻♂️ Just give me the words not images. Quote
royal white Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Just give me the words not images. That’s already been done but people don’t believe it. And round and round we go Quote
athywhite1958 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 WTF was that about in Russia, trying to storm a plane that had landed from Israel looking for Jews, you'd have thought they have enough of their own problems in Russia Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 31, 2023 Site Supporter Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said: WTF was that about in Russia, trying to storm a plane that had landed from Israel looking for Jews, you'd have thought they have enough of their own problems in Russia According to the Russians, that was a Ukrainian organised attack. Quote
TM Trotter Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: According to the Russians, that was a Ukrainian organised attack. Fits well with the 'neo-Nazi' lie Russia has been peddling since they first went 'liberating' the Donbas in 2014. An almost-cohesive nuggest of bullshittery from Peskov and his chums; a genuine rarity. Still the same laughable rhetoric though. Quote
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