Bury

[Pablo]

6 minutes ago, bwfc2003 said:

AFC seem to win quite a few games - What level are they at??

North West Counties Prem - 2 Divisions above Tempest United, CMB, and Turton.

[Carlos]

Pyramid goes:

Step 1, National League - Oldham, Altrincham etc.

Step 2, National League North/South - Chorley, Chester etc.

Step 3, 4 leagues - Colls, Radcliffe etc.

Step 4, 8 leagues - Ramsbottom, Colne, Clitheroe, Macclesfield etc.

Step 5, 16 leagues - Bury AFC, Northwich Vics, Prestwich Heys etc.

Step 6, 32 leagues? - Daisy Hill, Atherton LR, Darwen etc.

Step 7, ? leagues - Turton, CMB, Tempest, Atherton Town, Walshaw, Bolton County etc.

Step 8? league - Eagley, Horwich St Mary's, Stoneclough, Bolton Borough, Bolton Lads Club, Bolton United (?) etc.

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, Carlos said:

Pyramid goes:

Step 1, National League - Oldham, Altrincham etc.

Step 2, National League North/South - Chorley, Chester etc.

Step 3, 4 leagues - Colls, Radcliffe etc.

Step 4, 8 leagues - Ramsbottom, Colne, Clitheroe, Macclesfield etc.

Step 5, 16 leagues - Bury AFC, Northwich Vics, Prestwich Heys etc.

Step 6, 32 leagues? - Daisy Hill, Atherton LR, Darwen etc.

Step 7, ? leagues - Turton, CMB, Tempest, Atherton Town, Walshaw, Bolton County etc.

Step 8? league - Eagley, Horwich St Mary's, Stoneclough, Bolton Borough, Bolton Lads Club, Bolton United (?) etc.

The clubs in step 7 are basically parks football - no entrance fee or turnstiles - and the step 6's are semi professional, and charge for entry.  Presumably some good clubs at step 7 (I watch a fair bit of CMB and Tempest) can't progress even if they win the league by 20 points, they won't want promotion.  If 2 more of my local clubs I watch occasionally, Daisy Hill and Athy LR, get relegated I wonder if they have to stop charging on the gate like the rest of tier 7? 

[Carlos]

Good points. You need floodlights and turnstiles for Step 6. Hindsford (Tyldesley) won Manchester League year on year, great set up, can’t go up. Prestwich Heys managed it, despite many objections from neighbours. Ground grading nightmares. They did used to charge £2 at step 7. Immediately goes up to £5. Folk don’t like that. Cost of living crisis will hit non-leagues hard. 

Look at the Counties Prem and loads of these clubs came from Step 7, Cheshire League, Avro etc. They are awash with ambitious clubs. Spanking new facilities etc. Days of the old style club house are over.

Daisy won’t go down, they’ve got some money knocking about. LR should have gone last year, I think it would end the club, effectively. These clubs usually get back up, as you don’t need to win the league. Bit of a joke.

[MickyD]

7 hours ago, Carlos said:

Folk don’t like that. Cost of living crisis will hit non-leagues hard. 

Or maybe those whose budget used to stretch to a £30 Saturday game might have a rethink and get their football fix at a local £5 game. Drinking whilst watching a game might be the future.

The ones a 150% price hike may affect are the ones for whom a fiver used to get them in and buy them a pint. Maybe.

[Traf]

Maybe LR and Colls should merge?

[Casino]

If you include atherton town how does a small district of wigan support 3 teams

[Morizio]

Leigh Athletic still going? 

[athywhite1958]

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Maybe LR and Colls should merge?

Never in a million years

[athywhite1958]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

If you include atherton town how does a small district of wigan support 3 teams

Colls are self financed, a lot of hard work goes into raising money to keep going, Atherton Town are also a very well run club whose volunteers work incredibly hard, LR can just fuckoff

[Traf]

18 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Never in a million years

Too easy.

[athywhite1958]

3 minutes ago, Traf said:

Too easy.

😁

[Pablo]

21 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Colls are self financed, a lot of hard work goes into raising money to keep going, Atherton Town are also a very well run club whose volunteers work incredibly hard, LR can just fuckoff

 

Whats the hatred with LR about ?

 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, Pablo said:

Whats the hatred with LR about ?

Bigger club envy by Colls.

[Carlos]

3 hours ago, MickyD said:

Or maybe those whose budget used to stretch to a £30 Saturday game might have a rethink and get their football fix at a local £5 game. Drinking whilst watching a game might be the future.

The ones a 150% price hike may affect are the ones for whom a fiver used to get them in and buy them a pint. Maybe.

Nah, you go watching your club because you support then, not because you really enjoy freezing your bollocks off watching a ball being hoofed around in mud. Football fix isn’t a thing, really, for the vast majority of people. You can make the games free and people still don’t turn up.

[athywhite1958]

39 minutes ago, Pablo said:

 

Whats the hatred with LR about ?

 

Goes back a long way, they voted to have us kicked out of the league, always thought they were better than us, I was treated really badly by the older lads when I was 18 and left LR for Colls as a player

[Zico]

29 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Nah, you go watching your club because you support then, not because you really enjoy freezing your bollocks off watching a ball being hoofed around in mud. Football fix isn’t a thing, really, for the vast majority of people. You can make the games free and people still don’t turn up.

aye, nothing against non league, I more than enjoyed watching Horwich RMI in the 80s

but I wouldn't get any significant enjoyment from, in the absence of a Bolton match, going watching Chorley or Stockport or whoever else is cheaper on that day

[Ands1]

21 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Goes back a long way, they voted to have us kicked out of the league, always thought they were better than us, I was treated really badly by the older lads when I was 18 and left LR for Colls as a player

Played for Colls in the early 90's, Steve Walton was manager, Northwest counties 2nd division, LR were leagues ahead of us. Used to get £18 per win or £10 lose or draw. Always enjoyed putting one over on LR when I played in Hospital cup for likes of Tempest and Eagley later on in the years.

[Carlos]

3 hours ago, Casino said:

If you include atherton town how does a small district of wigan support 3 teams

The simple answer is it doesn't. You've got the previously mentioned Hindsford a mile away, they are well supported. Pennington is also in Atherton(?), in the same league. No idea about their support.

[Casino]

3 hours ago, Ands1 said:

Played for Colls in the early 90's, Steve Walton was manager, Northwest counties 2nd division, LR were leagues ahead of us. Used to get £18 per win or £10 lose or draw. Always enjoyed putting one over on LR when I played in Hospital cup for likes of Tempest and Eagley later on in the years.

Used to watch walton play for boro

Was a good un

Did you ever play for Kenny Wright?

[Mounts Kipper]

3 hours ago, Ands1 said:

Played for Colls in the early 90's, Steve Walton was manager, Northwest counties 2nd division, LR were leagues ahead of us. Used to get £18 per win or £10 lose or draw. Always enjoyed putting one over on LR when I played in Hospital cup for likes of Tempest and Eagley later on in the years.

You must be the only LH Shamrock player to play for money.  

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, Casino said:

Used to watch walton play for boro

Was a good un

Did you ever play for Kenny Wright?

Walton played for Bolton as a teenager, same youth era as Reid and Allardyce.

My wife used to sit next to him when they were new claims advisers at Farnworth Jobcentre in the 90s, on Thursdays and Fridays he was permanently on the phone sorting out his team!

Geoff Gaye was also in that BW youth team (went on to play for York but a bad injury ended his career), and he also worked with them at Farnworth, lives round the corner from us now.

[Johnnyrotten]

19 hours ago, Carlos said:

Good points. You need floodlights and turnstiles for Step 6. Hindsford (Tyldesley) won Manchester League year on year, great set up, can’t go up. Prestwich Heys managed it, despite many objections from neighbours. Ground grading nightmares. They did used to charge £2 at step 7. Immediately goes up to £5. Folk don’t like that. Cost of living crisis will hit non-leagues hard. 

Look at the Counties Prem and loads of these clubs came from Step 7, Cheshire League, Avro etc. They are awash with ambitious clubs. Spanking new facilities etc. Days of the old style club house are over.

Daisy won’t go down, they’ve got some money knocking about. LR should have gone last year, I think it would end the club, effectively. These clubs usually get back up, as you don’t need to win the league. Bit of a joke.

Interesting stuff, I'd forgotten about the floodlights requirement as well as turnstiles.  A none starter for most.  Good point about the clubs that do have that set up, that if they go down they are almost certain to come back up if they finish top half or whatever.  

[tomski]

On 08/09/2022 at 12:26, Zico said:

aye, nothing against non league, I more than enjoyed watching Horwich RMI in the 80s

but I wouldn't get any significant enjoyment from, in the absence of a Bolton match, going watching Chorley or Stockport or whoever else is cheaper on that day

Yep I’m exactly the same. Remember going to a Chorley game when they were about to be promoted on an Easter Monday and we didn’t play. Big crowd, everyone buzzing except me and a mate who thought it was shite and left for the pub just after half time.

[Traf]

3 hours ago, tomski said:

Yep I’m exactly the same. Remember going to a Chorley game when they were about to be promoted on an Easter Monday and we didn’t play. Big crowd, everyone buzzing except me and a mate who thought it was shite and left for the pub just after half time.

Years ago, I went to a Warrington v Widnes RL game. Supposedly a grudge match or something.
I lasted 20 mins.