Ani Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Well is it just a coincidence that out form dramatically dropped when the New Year kicked in and Sam wasn't given what he felt was needed to sustain our results. If we didn't have the funds then why did Megson have money available, what investments did we get from Sam leaving to Megson's reign, that wasn't available when Sam was here, now I know Sam did spend money on players like Anelka but the reasons we heard for Sam leaving was because of lack of ambition. I doubt we have got all this debt since Megson left, we would have been in debt under Sam and Megson, I think we could have done more under Sam if he was backed more consistently, what he did was deserved, many teams are in so called debt and still have a transfer fund. if we are fifth and looking to catch say......united,chelsea,arsenal and liverpool with spurs in 6th, how much do you think we would have had to spend to catch the other 4 ? bear in mind they can spend as well. one of the few facts in a duscussion like this is that everyone around us would have had many millions more than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 17, 2012 Moderators Share Posted September 17, 2012 That is a massive difference in form, we finished 12 points off 4th, and 12 off 15th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didledee Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 12/13 points was was easily achievable imo even with no added quality. We had games to spare a few poor results, but we dropped too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 17, 2012 Moderators Share Posted September 17, 2012 so, if we had enough, why spend fcuking millions? if we had enough - your opinion - it's either the fault of allardyce or the players, not the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeOghani'sIroningBoard Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Allardyce and Son, transfer consultants. So long as that Dudley shithouse stays away from the Reebok I will be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 so, if we had enough, why spend fcuking millions? if we had enough - your opinion - it's either the fault of allardyce or the players, not the board This is what's in that stat is confusing me. We were good enough to get up here, but Allardyce wasn't given the cash and, with those same players, we dropped like a stone second half of the season. Surely that's down to him either losing interest or throwing his toys out of the pram. If he felt so strongly shouldn't he have resigned there and then in disgust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didledee Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) Well I think we had enough quality to get 4th because of what we did before the 1st of January, we're talking like 6 years ago, so relying on memory, I think we had the players to get way more than 17 points from those 17 games. Now I'm not sure what players Sam would have gone for if he was given what he wanted, I can't say that new signings would have got us Champions League or made us get a UEFA cup place earlier than the last day of the season, but I do feel it may have helped, the players and management were at fault for throwing it away, we over-achieved, but we got ourselves in a position were such dizzy heights looked feasible. Apart from Andranik v Wigan and narrow wins v Watford and Sheff United, thise last 17 games were very comparable to what we did under S.Lee, Megson and now Coyle, only real break from that was August 2010-2010 December under Coyle and once again we slumped in the 2nd half, we relied on Sturridge and a decent cup run. Edited September 17, 2012 by Didledee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bwfcdan Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 StattoTraf and his stupid facts. I can tell you're losing a battle here I wasn't arguing with him, just asked a question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 We were top 4 before kick off against Liverpool on new years day, we had just won 5 in a row and we're flying, then lost to Liverpool and our last few months under Sam was bottom of the table form, though we still managed to get a UEFA cup place thanks to a 2-2 draw on the last day v Aston Villa. If we carried on our August-end of December form and if Sam felt like the club matched his ambitions, then maybe we might have got Champions League, a tad unrealistic, but we were winning games and in the placement. Sam would have loved the money Megson used to bid for Veloso and Emana. But you're now talking about a different season to the one Dan initially asked about. And secondly, HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO PEOPLE NEED TO BE TOLD? THERE WAS NO FUCKING MONEY TO SPEND & ALLARDYCE KNEW THIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didledee Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 The only season I've mentioned was in my 1st post on this topic, tyldesly-white replied and I went from there, I don't think any other season looked like Champions League could happen, that one and that 1st half of the season really gave us a great chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumbo Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 By the way, we didn't have any money. It was a shame but it seems the club had gone into a lot of debt and had to stop buying the superstars that got us to europe. But we had a wonderful time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no balls Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 So how come Mary Spunkson got all that money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted September 17, 2012 Moderators Share Posted September 17, 2012 Eddie Davis HAS money, or HAD money. The club didn't after he'd bailed us out. Eddie pumped more in to avoid losing the lot. Which has happened anyway. Is my theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 This is what's in that stat is confusing me. We were good enough to get up here, but Allardyce wasn't given the cash and, with those same players, we dropped like a stone second half of the season. Surely that's down to him either losing interest or throwing his toys out of the pram. If he felt so strongly shouldn't he have resigned there and then in disgust? He was hanging around hoping to get the England gig IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thomas Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 So how come Mary Spunkson got all that money? His charm of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroySwoosh Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Well all I can say is that I had my second best run as a Bolton fan under Big Sam, but to me it'll be hard to beat the Rioch years Have him back in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 This is what's in that stat is confusing me. We were good enough to get up here, but Allardyce wasn't given the cash and, with those same players, we dropped like a stone second half of the season. Surely that's down to him either losing interest or throwing his toys out of the pram. If he felt so strongly shouldn't he have resigned there and then in disgust? My opinion is that's exactly what he did. He also did it the season he didn't get the England job. One where Gartside had backed him to the hilt to leave our club. How did he repay him? Six months of sulking. That's two seasons where he basically gave up half way through. He was excellent for us and he might well be capable of doing a very good job for us again, but he doesn't deserve to come back. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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