We had a discussion on here a while back, which suggested quite a substantial opposition to the project.

Now that there are rumours that the Northern section will be scrapped, what are the views now?

I was always an opponent of it, though softened slightly when an expert lady explained in more detail about the capacity issues on the East and West Coast mainlines.

3 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

It's  fucking crazy. 2023 and no 24h service in a major UK city. The fact it was easier to travel late on 20 years ago says it all really. No idea how the fuck they get away with it.

Was quicker to get into Manchester from where I live in 1890. 

Where did you live in 1890, Mick?

8 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Where did you live in 1890, Mick?

LEIGH

47 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Where did you live in 1890, Mick?

Bdum tish😃

Fucking 

New Bee Buss Network   SHITE 

was going to go wigan have some Tea then watch a band 

6.30 got Cancelled 

6.57 never come 

Sullking now 

That serves you right for wanting to go to Wigan

1 hour ago, little whitt said:

Fucking 

New Bee Buss Network   SHITE 

was going to go wigan have some Tea then watch a band 

6.30 got Cancelled 

6.57 never come 

Sullking now 

I’m not actually sure what the difference is.

21 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I’m not actually sure what the difference is.

Just means buses run to provide a service rather than make a profit and all buses operate as one 'company' . Similar to TFL do with London buses. I imagine it'll take a while to get anywhere near close to the coverage London has but it's a worthy aim

9 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

Just means buses run to provide a service rather than make a profit and all buses operate as one 'company' . Similar to TFL do with London buses. I imagine it'll take a while to get anywhere near close to the coverage London has but it's a worthy aim

The buses are still run by private companies, but managed publicly.

Hopefully it will be better once teething troubles are sorted out.

They will still need to make money though, unless they're being subsidised, presumably from council tax. Dunno if this is the case or not.

Lots of shiny new leccy buses though, must be tons better than a smelly diesel.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/02/lord-mandelson-hs2-expensive-mistake
 

 

We need a dictator

They always seem to be good at getting the trains sorted.

Mao, Hitler, Stalin. All oversaw successful railways.

Edited September 30, 20232 yr by Spider

51 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/02/lord-mandelson-hs2-expensive-mistake
 

 

Former business secretary said all the parties should think about the rail project again as its estimated cost rises to £42.6bn

Jesus, it's going to cost that just to finish the outside of London to outside of Brum stretch!

12 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Former business secretary said all the parties should think about the rail project again as its estimated cost rises to £42.6bn

Jesus, it's going to cost that just to finish the outside of London to outside of Brum stretch!

Quite.

My personal view is that such funds would be better spent on links around the North and improving public transport within cities.

I expect the PM to cancel the Manchester link.

2 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

 

I expect the PM to cancel the Manchester link.

And blame labour

6 minutes ago, globaldiver said:

 

I expect the PM to cancel the Manchester link.

Indeed, the more they can do to fuck the country over the better it seems

32 minutes ago, Casino said:

And blame labour

And call it woke. 
 

But GD is right. They should have sorted out local transport first, before looking at shaving 30 mins of a trip down south. 


Looks like we’ll get neither

9 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

And call it woke. 
 

But GD is right. They should have sorted out local transport first, before looking at shaving 30 mins of a trip down south. 


Looks like we’ll get neither

I already posted a link to the east west improvements. To say we're not getting anything is wrong.

Proof of the pudding and all that, but the work is already well underway.

 

Dead leccy bus on Bury Road this morning. 

Maybe someone forgot to plug it in!

45 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I already posted a link to the east west improvements. To say we're not getting anything is wrong.

Proof of the pudding and all that, but the work is already well underway.

 

We were getting high speed to London!😃

As you say proof is in the pudding. 

Just had a quick gander. I went down to just outside London on Tuesday, took 4 hours. Same trip on the train is 8.5...

Not read through the tread but if they don't commit, (which as a not clued up average intelligence northerner) then they'll loose whatever votes they have. 

 

3 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Just had a quick gander. I went down to just outside London on Tuesday, took 4 hours. Same trip on the train is 8.5...

Not read through the tread but if they don't commit, (which as a not clued up average intelligence northerner) then they'll loose whatever votes they have. 

 

You’ll have to stick a bit of meat on the bones there unless it was a 2 hour train to Euston and 6 1/2 hour walk from there?!

I was against HS2 in the first place money should have be spent on connection between manchester to the east and west of the country, connections to the west country and wales from Birmingham and then linking east of the country to the east coast line and beyond to the east of the county, the least priority was the london Birmingham link and it’s an utter disgrace the money spent on that section. Sooner this Tory government is given the last rites the better. 

Edited October 1, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I was against HS2 in the first place money should have be spent on connection between manchester to the east and west of the country, connections to the west country and wales from Birmingham and then linking east of the country to the east coast line and beyond to the east of the county, the least priority was the london Birmingham link and it’s an utter disgrace the money spent on that section. Sooner this Tory government is given the last rites the better. 

Do you think Starmer will scrap it?

He's voted against it but now complained that it might be scrapped.

It's like brexit: members of both parties want it, whilst members of both don't!

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Do you think Starmer will scrap it?

He's voted against it but now complained that it might be scrapped.

It's like brexit: members of both parties want it, whilst members of both don't!

Should the money have been spent on it in the first place? Probably not.

Now it's spades in the ground time should it be finished properly? Yes.

Now the country has already spaffed a small fortune on it to leave it unfinished would be a shit outcome 

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Do you think Starmer will scrap it?

He's voted against it but now complained that it might be scrapped.

It's like brexit: members of both parties want it, whilst members of both don't!

It will be easier for starmer if the Tories cancel it…. Don’t think it makes any sense to continue, to answer your question I doubt starmer will continue with it.

Edited October 1, 20232 yr by Mounts Kipper