Leyton Orient (A)

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Shiite is travelling to watch crap; you don’t go you prick so you don’t know what it feels like

I've seen us lose away from home plenty of times. It's disappointing and miserable. I've never pissed my pants and had a tantrum like a spoilt brat.

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Looking for positives this morning, going through the next 7 fixtures we are capable of getting 17 points from those games.

I think that's right, 5 wins and draws v Barnsley/Northampton can be done if we're on form.

That's the key though, its the same as the last 7 games.  We would have said 5 wins (Bristol, Orient and Burton home; Lincoln, Fleetwood away) and a couple of points from the other 2 aways.  We fell 5 points short and the squad is arguably weaker currently so we know the players have to be better than they have been (or the opposition have to be worse).

[paulhanley]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

I've seen us lose away from home plenty of times. It's disappointing and miserable. I've never pissed my pants and had a tantrum like a spoilt brat.

We've all seen you doing the online equivalent every time you encounter someone you disagree with. Which happens quite a lot given you go out of your way to disagree with everyone.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

We've all seen you doing the online equivalent every time you encounter someone you disagree with. Which happens quite a lot given you go out of your way to disagree with everyone.

Have you? Perhaps you can provide an example?

[Stig]

5 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

 Cogley won't be the only one.  I think IEs instinct is/was to pick Williams whenever available, he's started as many as Toal and Vic.   If he's fit and in any sort of form, he starts 90% of games, very rare for Iredale or Ashworth to start at LWB. 

We have 10 players that play virtually every game if fit: Baxter, Jones, Toal, Santos, Williams, Cogley, Tomo, Sheehan, Vic and Charles.  Can count on the fingers of one hand the games they've been left out when available, Williams and Vic once or twice but that's all.

FWIW I still think yesterday was mainly a mental issue, but I can get on board with the "mental tiredness" argument as to why Orient might be fresher, and in that case why on earth do we have 10 players playing practically every game?! The squad isn't being used well enough. My frustration with Vic over Bod earlier in the season was that Vic was playing every single game over him and I thought they were going to be rotated nicely, but Evatt seems to be reverting to Vic as the option.

Either way, either we have a mental issue when we go behind, or we aren't using the squad well enough to the point where players are physically or mentally fatigued. Or a combo of the two. Evatt needs to get this sorted quick, as either of those issues leave us having next to no chance in the play offs.

 

[paulhanley]

42 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Have you? Perhaps you can provide an example?

A textbook Cheese response. Same old playbook. 

[Steejay]

3 hours ago, onefinfrandsen said:

100%, considering where we are and the little we have spent on player recruitment we have done superbly well to be in the position we are. This is not a criticism of the board, but if we don’t invest in 2 or 3 new players in the next 10 days and carry on in the same vein we could not only miss out on promotion but be in the same position next year.

No other club in our league has spent as much as us this season.

CMG - 300k

Forrester - 200k

Dan - 150k

Williams - 100k

 

The board has backed IE substantially imo.

You can add 500k for Vic alhough Dapo's sale financed it.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

A textbook Cheese response. Same old playbook. 

A textbook paulhanley response. Same old baseless ad hominem accusations, with no evidence to support them.

[radcliffe white]

3 minutes ago, Steejay said:

No other club in our league has spent as much as us this season.

CMG - 300k

Forrester - 200k

Dan - 150k

Williams - 100k

 

The board has backed IE substantially imo.

You can add 500k for Vic alhough Dapo's sale financed it.

Thought Dan was 300k

but even still money has been spent only forrester who’s showing good value for money 

[Rizlar]

20 minutes ago, Steejay said:

No other club in our league has spent as much as us this season.

CMG - 300k

Forrester - 200k

Dan - 150k

Williams - 100k

 

The board has backed IE substantially imo.

You can add 500k for Vic alhough Dapo's sale financed it.

Still cannot believe we spent 300k on CMG !

[woolli]

49 minutes ago, Stig said:

FWIW I still think yesterday was mainly a mental issue, but I can get on board with the "mental tiredness" argument as to why Orient might be fresher, and in that case why on earth do we have 10 players playing practically every game?! The squad isn't being used well enough. My frustration with Vic over Bod earlier in the season was that Vic was playing every single game over him and I thought they were going to be rotated nicely, but Evatt seems to be reverting to Vic as the option.

Either way, either we have a mental issue when we go behind, or we aren't using the squad well enough to the point where players are physically or mentally fatigued. Or a combo of the two. Evatt needs to get this sorted quick, as either of those issues leave us having next to no chance in the play offs.

 

The squad is to small.

[W.cramp]

39 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

Still cannot believe we spent 300k on CMG !

Can't beleive we spent on dan.

[paulhanley]

59 minutes ago, Steejay said:

No other club in our league has spent as much as us this season.

CMG - 300k

Forrester - 200k

Dan - 150k

Williams - 100k

 

The board has backed IE substantially imo.

You can add 500k for Vic alhough Dapo's sale financed it.

This is reading between the lines and guesswork but I suspect what's happened is that by signing up a lot of our assets to longer contracts this last 6-12 months we've raised the wage bill and thus used up a lot of salary budget that may otherwise have gone on new players. That's not a criticism of anyone, far from it. We need to protect ourselves against asset strippers. 

A way of making the money go further seems to have been targeting defenders who can cover more than one position, Evatt has said this. The trouble with doing that is that a smaller number of defensive bodies leaves you vulnerable to a rash of injuries. Again, that's no criticism. What happened to George Johnston was a real blow. Gethin being called up by Aussie couldn't have been foreseen. On top of that Forrester is out. 

I'd be happy with Ennis and a new loan centre back. Only I'd prefer we targeted a rock solid late 20s/early 30s player on the fringe of a Championship squad rather than an Mbete. It would a steadying influence at a crucial time and he won't be hampered by being EFL Trophy cup-tied.

[captainmed]

I see our top scorer is now being referred to as Ray Charles on BWFC FB sites.

A bit harsh 😂😂

[woolli]

20 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

This is reading between the lines and guesswork but I suspect what's happened is that by signing up a lot of our assets to longer contracts this last 6-12 months we've raised the wage bill and thus used up a lot of salary budget that may otherwise have gone on new players. That's not a criticism of anyone, far from it. We need to protect ourselves against asset strippers. 

A way of making the money go further seems to have been targeting defenders who can cover more than one position, Evatt has said this. The trouble with doing that is that a smaller number of defensive bodies leaves you vulnerable to a rash of injuries. Again, that's no criticism. What happened to George Johnston was a real blow. Gethin being called up by Aussie couldn't have been foreseen. On top of that Forrester is out. 

I'd be happy with Ennis and a new loan centre back. Only I'd prefer we targeted a rock solid late 20s/early 30s player on the fringe of a Championship squad rather than an Mbete. It would a steadying influence at a crucial time and he won't be hampered by being EFL Trophy cup-tied.

Correct Paul. We need a flexible centre back as a priority, but someone who can step up instantly. Its not going to be easy, but we dont want to be in the same position as last season, when MJW  had to be used as an emergency centre back. We now dont have anyone who could slot in if there is any more injuries.

[onefinfrandsen]

1 hour ago, Steejay said:

No other club in our league has spent as much as us this season.

CMG - 300k

Forrester - 200k

Dan - 150k

Williams - 100k

 

The board has backed IE substantially imo.

You can add 500k for Vic alhough Dapo's sale financed it.

Meant the three and a half years that IE has been in charge

[Johnnyrotten]

I still think its a hard sell to get someone to sign for us that's any good (we need to avoid another Mbete type signing).  If we sign a CB, we will have 6 to pick from in a few weeks once Jones and Forrester are available (and 7 if Johnstone comes back any time).  Its a difficult one, we'd be paying a wage and loan fee for a player that's going to play 2 or 3 games probably unless we get at least a couple of longish term injuries. 

Its different with strikers, we bring 2 subs on virtually every game.  And there's obviously an improvement to be made by replacing Jerome with a younger model.  A new striker has every chance of half an hour every game and the chance to make an impact most weeks and be around next season if things go well.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

14 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I still think its a hard sell to get someone to sign for us that's any good (we need to avoid another Mbete type signing).  If we sign a CB, we will have 6 to pick from in a few weeks once Jones and Forrester are available (and 7 if Johnstone comes back any time).  Its a difficult one, we'd be paying a wage and loan fee for a player that's going to play 2 or 3 games probably unless we get at least a couple of longish term injuries. 

Its different with strikers, we bring 2 subs on virtually every game.  And there's obviously an improvement to be made by replacing Jerome with a younger model.  A new striker has every chance of half an hour every game and the chance to make an impact most weeks and be around next season if things go well.

I suppose it just comes down to whether the player backs themself to make an impact

[woolli]

17 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I still think its a hard sell to get someone to sign for us that's any good (we need to avoid another Mbete type signing).  If we sign a CB, we will have 6 to pick from in a few weeks once Jones and Forrester are available (and 7 if Johnstone comes back any time).  Its a difficult one, we'd be paying a wage and loan fee for a player that's going to play 2 or 3 games probably unless we get at least a couple of longish term injuries. 

Its different with strikers, we bring 2 subs on virtually every game.  And there's obviously an improvement to be made by replacing Jerome with a younger model.  A new striker has every chance of half an hour every game and the chance to make an impact most weeks and be around next season if things go well.

I understand what you are saying JR, but that 2 or 3 games could be the difference between play offs and promotion. If we dont sign a  centre back, and god forbid someone gets inured, we just dont have any defensive cover whatsoever. And Jones and Forrester are likely to be another month away from starting for us again.

Edited January 21, 2024 by woolli
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[Whitesince63]

I think the Orient game was just so bad in every way we just have to write it off and move on and that goes for the players as well, including Dion who let’s face it had a mare with that miss. Top strikers can dismiss these things as top golfers do small puts, you have to move on and not worry about it. Dion needs to be looking forward to at least a brace on Tuesday and I’m sure he will. We’re still in pole position so the players just need to believe in themselves now and kick on.

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, captainmed said:

I see our top scorer is now being referred to as Ray Charles on BWFC FB sites.

A bit harsh 😂😂

Harsh but witty!

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Harsh but witty!

Thought the post was a white stick!

 

[MickyD]

Maybe we could give the ballboys a bell they ring when the ball comes over so he knows where to aim.

Edited January 22, 2024 by MickyD
Shit spelling

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just reading comments from Evatt that there was some illness in the camp last week. Might account, to an extent, for the performance level.

We'll see tomorrow. 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Just reading comments from Evatt that there was some illness in the camp last week. Might account, to an extent, for the performance level.

We'll see tomorrow. 

they were all fine on Tuesday

whatever though

play the ones who aren't poorly tomorrow and win