August 15, 20242 yr Check out this episode of Tom Swarbrick on Global Player - https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/episodes/BUqvuX5LRDiLDeqyohJdcMe1d/ Dunno if that works, but if youve an hour to spare check it out from 2 hrs in Its a hot topc and i think im in favour
August 15, 20242 yr Around the time I was born my grandad on my mums side had bone cancer in his spine. He was in absolute agony and had no life at all. Neither did my grandma trying to look after him and ease his pain. It was a small village in rural Yorkshire. They knew the local GP very well. The last dose of morphine helped everyone.
August 16, 20242 yr 7 hours ago, MancWanderer said: Around the time I was born my grandad on my mums side had bone cancer in his spine. He was in absolute agony and had no life at all. Neither did my grandma trying to look after him and ease his pain. It was a small village in rural Yorkshire. They knew the local GP very well. The last dose of morphine helped everyone. If done really well, lots of protections, then this is patently obvious the way to go. A Lt says, a Canada situation or similar would be terrible.
August 16, 20242 yr What's happened in Canada? Old friend of mine, her dad has cancer and was dying a long drawn out painful death He was from Cairns, Queensland, where they recently made it legal so he opted for it The last few weeks once the decision was made were his "happiest" of his entire illness Sacked the medication off, got the wine in and said goodbye to everyone his way His wife however is a staunch religious type and couldn't accept it, still won't speak to her daughter about it
August 16, 20242 yr If it was his decision, then cutting off the daughter is weird. Religion eh! Canada situation is rank. Part way up the wedge unfortunately, with suggestions that some aren't ready for euthanasia, and maybe ulterior motives at play.
August 16, 20242 yr 8 hours ago, Casino said: Check out this episode of Tom Swarbrick on Global Player - https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/episodes/BUqvuX5LRDiLDeqyohJdcMe1d/ Dunno if that works, but if youve an hour to spare check it out from 2 hrs in Its a hot topc and i think im in favour also in favour if I got dementia for example there's no chance i'd want my daughter caring for me day in day out, that's given her a shit life to i'll be happy to slip off
August 16, 20242 yr My missus uncle has dementia, he is so sad to see totally lost. He has no real life and his wife is struggling. Lived in same house for 40 years and last week got lost on his way from bedroom to the toilet. His 'friends' are staying away. Awful to see and impact on wife is terrible. Grandson living with them to help out. A friend of my missus has her hubby in a dementia home as she could not cope, it costs £5k per month. The dilemma with assisted dying is that you would have to make the call when your mind is still functional but until you get ill how can you really know what you would want ?
August 16, 20242 yr Therein is the ultimate dilemma. I suppose when you are ill in that way, you may not be aware of the option or even making a judgement on it. If we're going to allow it, then ultimately the decision by the individual has to accepted.
August 16, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, Zico said: What's happened in Canada? Old friend of mine, her dad has cancer and was dying a long drawn out painful death He was from Cairns, Queensland, where they recently made it legal so he opted for it The last few weeks once the decision was made were his "happiest" of his entire illness Sacked the medication off, got the wine in and said goodbye to everyone his way His wife however is a staunch religious type and couldn't accept it, still won't speak to her daughter about it Do you have to be a Queensland resident or could one (hypothetically, of course) fly an elderly relative out there for a short visit?
August 16, 20242 yr I spent a week by my Mums bedside watching her die in pain. Watched her skin decay and break in to open wounds as her body packed in but her mind remained. They could've stopped that and ended it the moment she was put on to end of life. But because of our rules she had to suffer right till the end. Probably not in the realms of assisted dying but they can bloody start with ending folks misery when they are so close to end.
August 16, 20242 yr If you did volunteer for euthanasia, how would your partner stand with life insurance company?
August 16, 20242 yr 25 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said: If you did volunteer for euthanasia, how would your partner stand with life insurance company? Suicide was normally only covered after the policy had been in force 2 years when I worked in insurance.... I'm sure this may be different?
August 16, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, gonzo said: I spent a week by my Mums bedside watching her die in pain. Watched her skin decay and break in to open wounds as her body packed in but her mind remained. They could've stopped that and ended it the moment she was put on to end of life. But because of our rules she had to suffer right till the end. Probably not in the realms of assisted dying but they can bloody start with ending folks misery when they are so close to end. feel for you mate - same with my old mam 2 years ago. 96 so a very good innings and while she'd been fit as a fiddle not long before, she ended up in hospital and the visits were horrible. No idea who we were, where she was etc. Being 100 miles away I could hardly get there every day (brothers helped) but I remember at one visit thinking if they just gave me a button to press to end it now I'd do it (and would have had brothers' blessings and certainly hers if she could manage it). It was obvious what the end game was going to be - why draw it out with pain and bewilderment somewhere deep down in her functioning brain, and drawn out emotion for us? Especially after such a good number of years and no chance of any other consequence? Of course in some cases hope of medical advances might be there. Or in odd cases cure has been missed - e.g. when rocker Wilko Johnson went on a farewell tour as he was dying from pancreatic cancer with a massive tumour, a doctor in the crowd suggested that diagnosis might be wrong and it turned out it was a slightly different, treatable form and they fettled him after removing 3kg of bastard from him. I think he got another 10 years after that. BUT...when it's clear as mud there's nothing to do and just misery, what's the bloody point.
August 16, 20242 yr 32 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said: If you did volunteer for euthanasia, how would your partner stand with life insurance company? A lot of life policies pay out upon a terminal diagnosis so in that situation be ok. However other than that daresay would not be covered. All just in theory at the moment I guess.
August 16, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said: feel for you mate - same with my old mam 2 years ago. 96 so a very good innings and while she'd been fit as a fiddle not long before, she ended up in hospital and the visits were horrible. No idea who we were, where she was etc. Being 100 miles away I could hardly get there every day (brothers helped) but I remember at one visit thinking if they just gave me a button to press to end it now I'd do it (and would have had brothers' blessings and certainly hers if she could manage it). It was obvious what the end game was going to be - why draw it out with pain and bewilderment somewhere deep down in her functioning brain, and drawn out emotion for us? Especially after such a good number of years and no chance of any other consequence? Of course in some cases hope of medical advances might be there. Or in odd cases cure has been missed - e.g. when rocker Wilko Johnson went on a farewell tour as he was dying from pancreatic cancer with a massive tumour, a doctor in the crowd suggested that diagnosis might be wrong and it turned out it was a slightly different, treatable form and they fettled him after removing 3kg of bastard from him. I think he got another 10 years after that. BUT...when it's clear as mud there's nothing to do and just misery, what's the bloody point. Sure plenty on here know an exposter who is going through this today but with a pet. With animals totally acceptable and probably admired to stop the suffering, but for humans it is a no no .
August 16, 20242 yr 2 hours ago, little whitt said: its a YES from me You're far too young. Give it a few more years at least.
August 16, 20242 yr It's a yes from me after seeing both my parents suffer and the mum in law. I wouldn't want my kids to go through watching me clog it.
August 16, 20242 yr Aye it’s a no brainer, mental that in 2024 it ain’t legal in fact a given right for everyone who wants to end their life in peace and pain free.
August 16, 20242 yr I don't think it's as straightforward as it seems and feel there's a real risk of a slippery slope
August 16, 20242 yr 19 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: Should have a voluntary register like we do for organ donation. Suspect it would need to be more legal than that but a complete no brainer. Still have flashbacks to my dad’s last week of suffering with cancer
August 16, 20242 yr My dear Grandma was in a home a few years ago and behind the reception I had noticed a massive framed picture of a couple on the QE2. A good looking well dressed couple, maybe early 50’s and with obvious money. I eventually enquired about its relevance. I was sat with my Grandma and a member of staff came up to me and explained who it was. She pointed to a woman who I had seen there on previous visits. Constantly wandering around, never seated, looking confused, missing teeth & generally looking dishevelled & distressed. Mid 60’s I would guess. Always stuck with me that she wouldn’t want to live like that. So bloody sad. Edited August 16, 20242 yr by captainmed
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