New Poll - Evatt

[Casino]

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

And the problem is that first sign of a mistake, misplaced pass etc etc the nerves in the crowd and lack of confidence in the players gets multiplied. It is a recipe for disaster.

 

aye

lets not forget the fan meltdown after a fuck up when we were second in the league in january

[Cheese]

Imagine if Sharon got pissed and did a Delia Smith before kick off.

[ianofcleveleys]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

And the problem is that first sign of a mistake, misplaced pass etc etc the nerves in the crowd and lack of confidence in the players gets multiplied. It is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe one of the saddest things is when we start expecting to concede and just shrug our shoulders. Bit like the players seem to do at the moment our on pitch reactions to conceding are awful 

What we can't do on Saturday is influence who he picks or what the system is. What we can do is go full-on Newcastle and give it big volume at every strong tackle, every big clearance, every bit of hard pressing, every corner forced. If they go one down early (it could happen with a bit of bad luck, not just a cock-up) we give it big volume again, to help them get back into it. 

All a bit simplistic I know, and folk on here don't need telling about this sort of stuff. Not easy to sustain also if, god forbid, they're 2 down in 20 minutes. I also get that some of us are also a bit less minded to be vocal than others. Hopefully, though, with the sense that those in the ground are with them from kick off we'll see a start that gets them on the front foot, in the lead and dominating the game

[Johnnyrotten]

On reflection I was probably wrong in saying it wouldn't be toxic if we're losing to Reading.  Clearly we're on a different level of where we've been upto now.  Exeter was our first home defeat of the year, only a minor crisis.  Pre-Hudds, we knew it was a tough game even if we'd been riding high, that standard of opposition is never going to be must-win. 

But the combo of the 0-4, the IE post-match comments and "scapegoating", certainly changes things. Add in that we are playing a team we are expected to beat at home under normal circumstances, and yes its going to be unpleasant the minute we go behind.  It doesn't have to be that way, if we are on top and its still 0-0 the crowd will be generally supportive.  If its an Exeter type display against an "average" team, its not going to be fun.

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

If they go one down early (it could happen with a bit of bad luck, not just a cock-up) we give it big volume again, to help them get back into it. 

All a bit simplistic I know, and folk on here don't need telling about this sort of stuff. Not easy to sustain also if, god forbid, they're 2 down in 20 minutes. I also get that some of us are also a bit less minded to be vocal than others. Hopefully, though, with the sense that those in the ground are with them from kick off we'll see a start that gets them on the front foot, in the lead and dominating the game

i don't know how best to express it, but i'll try

most home games the last few years, we have won...just turned up knowing we will win by a couple

its got a bit samey, tbh, so theres no real excitement pre game so nobody is up for it

added to the fact we are all still shocked by what we saw at wembley (and i think this is what evatt touches on) theres just still a deep disappointment/disillusion with all things bwfc

we beat orient, fortunately in the end, then faced wrexham and even then, I dont think the fans were up for it

its like we dont want to get excited for fear of another kick in the bollocks

its almost like we need to have something to shout about before we get up for it again and worryingly, it might be fear of relegation that gets us going again!

 

all in all, thats a bit rambly...i shouldve just said its all a bit shit - realtive to the last few years at least

 

[Johnnyrotten]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

i don't know how best to express it, but i'll try

most home games the last few years, we have won...just turned up knowing we will win by a couple

its got a bit samey, tbh, so theres no real excitement pre game so nobody is up for it

added to the fact we are all still shocked by what we saw at wembley (and i think this is what evatt touches on) theres just still a deep disappointment/disillusion with all things bwfc

we beat orient, fortunately in the end, then faced wrexham and even then, I dont think the fans were up for it

its like we dont want to get excited for fear of another kick in the bollocks

its almost like we need to have something to shout about before we get up for it again and worryingly, it might be fear of relegation that gets us going again!

 

all in all, thats a bit rambly...i shouldve just said its all a bit shit - realtive to the last few years at least

 

Yes we need something to shout about before we're up for it again and if it was a relegation battle post Christmas that may do the trick.  But that's a long way off and I think the only thing that will get folk out of their mindset before then is a change of manager.  Not because he might be necessarily a better manager than IE, but just because he isn't IE and therefore we're guaranteed a year of finding out which players/formations/tactics he prefers. 

Rightly or wrongly folk would look forward to games (relatively) because of the unknown.  We are all turning up Saturday knowing exactly how we'll play and what frustrations we'll all feel, again.  This decision should have been taken post-Oxford IMO, again not because IE is crap, but because it was the only way to get the fans engaged for another slog of a L1 season when as you say we don't even know if we want to get to the play offs under IE because of the fear it will all be the same again.

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

i don't know how best to express it, but i'll try

most home games the last few years, we have won...just turned up knowing we will win by a couple

its got a bit samey, tbh, so theres no real excitement pre game so nobody is up for it

added to the fact we are all still shocked by what we saw at wembley (and i think this is what evatt touches on) theres just still a deep disappointment/disillusion with all things bwfc

we beat orient, fortunately in the end, then faced wrexham and even then, I dont think the fans were up for it

its like we dont want to get excited for fear of another kick in the bollocks

its almost like we need to have something to shout about before we get up for it again and worryingly, it might be fear of relegation that gets us going again!

 

all in all, thats a bit rambly...i shouldve just said its all a bit shit - realtive to the last few years at least

 

I think there are more problems that is alluded to by Evatt.

First our form in 2024 is not promotion form. It puts us bottom half. That’s quite a long period to be way off where the club expects us to be. Wembley was not an isolated issue, if it was I think much of the talk about getting going again would be fair. But the problem stretches back way before that. Arguably even way towards the early parts of last season where whilst our overall form was good we inexplicably would lose a game here or there that we really shouldn’t have out of the blue. 

Secondly I think football clubs go through journeys with their fans and last season felt like the ‘next step’ and turned into a pretty poor result given what was undoubtedly not the strongest league. I think back to August and the first few games and there wasn’t a fan who didn’t think we’d go up and maybe even at a canter. Me included. And I think with what we had we really should have done. The weaknesses that showed up gradually however feel at least to me more systemic than they do ‘things we can tweak’.

I think it’s hard to motivate fans when the end goal of the season has to be automatic promotion but with the disappointment of last season lingering and the frailties in people’s minds even if we had a flying start I don’t think it would quell the fear that we have too many slip ups in us. And with a disastrous start….its gone the other way and I think most know that something fresh is needed. 

 

[Casino]

like i say, i'm just one fan relating how i feel

i do accept a lot of what you say, but to go from baxter at the back to where we are now is about 6 fucking games

[Zico]

after a period of reflection

I think that it all the decision to stay comes down to

is Evatt doesn't want to leave before he's had a crack at Arsenal

and Sharon agrees it's the least he deserves

 

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

after a period of reflection

I think that it all the decision to stay comes down to

is Evatt doesn't want to leave before he's had a crack at Arsenal

and Sharon agrees it's the least he deserves

 

If that’s the case why have we got rid of coaches and analysts?

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

If that’s the case why have we got rid of coaches and analysts?

i think its absolute bollocks that we would keep him to 'have a go at arsenal'

 

so i'll chuck my absolute bollocks in

we already know that these folk arent wanted in any new regime and its just coincidence they are going after a 4-0 (if they are going)

craddock, apparently, wasnt pitchside for huddersfield - the writing had to be on the wall when crainey joined

[JimmyRiddle]

Some of the apathy comes from being in the 3rd division.

The majority of games at home are against teams of the stature that it would be a disappointment to not win against. So how giddy can you get if we do win, especially when everyone deep down knows there is an inexplicable performance just around the corner regardless.

[Greg_BWFC]

56 minutes ago, Casino said:

i don't know how best to express it, but i'll try

most home games the last few years, we have won...just turned up knowing we will win by a couple

its got a bit samey, tbh, so theres no real excitement pre game so nobody is up for it

added to the fact we are all still shocked by what we saw at wembley (and i think this is what evatt touches on) theres just still a deep disappointment/disillusion with all things bwfc

we beat orient, fortunately in the end, then faced wrexham and even then, I dont think the fans were up for it

its like we dont want to get excited for fear of another kick in the bollocks

its almost like we need to have something to shout about before we get up for it again and worryingly, it might be fear of relegation that gets us going again!

 

all in all, thats a bit rambly...i shouldve just said its all a bit shit - realtive to the last few years at least

 

Summed up pretty much how I feel word for word mate.

First time in the ground for me was Saturday and I honestly had to drag myself there.

Couldn't have felt less enthused if I'd tried.

Seems a lot of us feel like this.

I really enjoyed last season, some great games, big game/crowd feeling back.

And you're right, Oxford was a massive kick in the nuts and we're still smarting.

I'm struggling to shake the feeling of that one result setting us back a few years. 

I'm probably wrong though 😀🤞

[little whitt]

All players under BIG SAMs  rain 

all love him  how great he was 

Still Love BWFC 

no one has a bad word to say about him or the club 

 

all who have left under IE 

seam to slag him 

and dont have a good word to say about him 

so there lies your MAN Mangerment 

[ianofcleveleys]

I wasn't overly enthusiastic as the season started in all honesty. Not so much because I'd wanted Evatt out after Oxford, I was open minded if indications were that his period of reflection would help him identifying the causes of us falling short. 

By the opening day though, I didn't get the sense that whatever Evatt had seen as needing fixing were the right things and just looked to be tinkering around the edges, with a set of transfer incomings to match. 

We won the first game, albeit unconvincingly, then Wrexham left me walking away at best a bit flat, at worst a bit concerned. It's gone downhill since.

[Zico]

39 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

If that’s the case why have we got rid of coaches and analysts?

 

34 minutes ago, Casino said:

i think its absolute bollocks that we would keep him to 'have a go at arsenal'

 

so i'll chuck my absolute bollocks in

we already know that these folk arent wanted in any new regime and its just coincidence they are going after a 4-0 (if they are going)

craddock, apparently, wasnt pitchside for huddersfield - the writing had to be on the wall when crainey joined

course it's absolute bollocks, I made it up

I envisage IE sat there all down and sulky and moaning to Sharon that it's fair, it's not his fault, and he doesn't know what to do

and how he really wants to go to the Emirates

and Sharon is like "there there Ian, it's ok, I'll make sure you'll be there love"

[Marc505]

11 minutes ago, little whitt said:

All players under BIG SAMs  rain 

all love him  how great he was 

Still Love BWFC 

no one has a bad word to say about him or the club 

 

all who have left under IE 

seam to slag him 

and dont have a good word to say about him 

so there lies your MAN Mangerment 

I mean who, apart from that slob Sarcevic?

[nantwichwhite]

Some important matches we have had terrible results

Oxford was a pisser

Club from top to bottom not over it

Evatt does not seem right, he has had his ingrained philosophies put to the sword

Again Evatt seems to be having trouble with this

Team organisation particularly set pieces have gone to pot

Evatt is on borrowed time especially rumours of gambling and dic pics etc

Don't think there is a player relationship problem with him, they all seem to like him

Ultimately Sharon's call but it isn'yt looking great for him

 

[Johnnyrotten]

45 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

 

I'm struggling to shake the feeling of that one result setting us back a few years. 

 

I'd agree its meant that realistically we're staying in L1 at least 2 years longer than we would have if we'd won that one game.  But the other scenario to consider is how much of a car crash it would have been in the championship under IE, given his record every time we've played a team we aren't able to swat aside with superior football.  Yes maybe a few higher quality signings (Maghoma etc), but the majority of this squad would have stayed together and I'm absolutely certain the crucial WB positions would have been filled inadequately (would we still have signed Schon?). 

Assuming he goes soon, at least when we do get up we might have a fighting chance of putting up a fight instead of playing this no wingers, no full backs formation.

[Marc505]

56 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Summed up pretty much how I feel word for word mate.

First time in the ground for me was Saturday and I honestly had to drag myself there.

Couldn't have felt less enthused if I'd tried.

Seems a lot of us feel like this.

I really enjoyed last season, some great games, big game/crowd feeling back.

And you're right, Oxford was a massive kick in the nuts and we're still smarting.

I'm struggling to shake the feeling of that one result setting us back a few years. 

I'm probably wrong though 😀🤞

I think I agree with this and yet it annoys me at the same time.

You go into a different season and put it behind you - I'm sure there's shit loads of philosophical and sports psychology stuff out there about compartmentalising and moving on. That's part of sport, learning from setbacks and them making you stronger.

And yet it's not just Oxford, we've also shown time and time again that we're completely up the wall from manager to players to fans, by the concept and challenge of facing Wigan. They've got our number, they know it, it's clear as day Evatt knows it, and we can't handle it.

We're weak, flat track bullies who need everything to be just so for it to work otherwise we fold. Needs an intervention!

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

36 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

I mean who, apart from that slob Sarcevic?

Big Dan and his people

But I'm not having that everyone who played under Sam loved him

[Casino]

32 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'd agree its meant that realistically we're staying in L1 at least 2 years longer than we would have if we'd won that one game. 

id love to see oxfordways the day after we beat em 5-0

[Johnnyrotten]

1 minute ago, Casino said:

id love to see oxfordways the day after we beat em 5-0

Oh yes I get that teams can scrape into the play offs and still go up.  Lincoln was another with an unbelievable recovery last few months.  Be clear I'm not giving up on promotion this season (I've given up on top 2 though).

So play offs at best IMO, and even if we manage that, its a 25% chance.  I'm just acknowledging that realistically its likely to be 2 years post-Oxford minimum before we go up, and only if we get a good manager.

[Cheese]

37 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Big Dan and his people

But I'm not having that everyone who played under Sam loved him

Dan is out on loan. What has he said?

[wakey]

2 hours ago, JimmyRiddle said:

Some of the apathy comes from being in the 3rd division.

The majority of games at home are against teams of the stature that it would be a disappointment to not win against. So how giddy can you get if we do win, especially when everyone deep down knows there is an inexplicable performance just around the corner regardless.

One of the reasons I don't see a way back for Evatt. We could win 5 on the bounce, beat Arsenal away, but we all know we'll collapse in the next game that really matters.