I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

The only positive I can come up with is the admiration I have for your positivity!

He will be gone this week and for his own mental health it will be best all round

Edited September 15, 20241 yr by Farrelli

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

He will be gone this week and for his own mental health it will be best all round

Just saying exactly the same thing on another thread. I'm a bit worried about him tbh. 

7 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

No. The time for those types of thought processes is gone. He has to go. 

I'm just one person, my view no more important than anyone else's but if he stays then my interest needs to be parked as it's doing me no good.

I can't see any way he can turn it around. He hasn't the capacity to see & accept that his plan hasn't worked for 9 months and tweaks aren't enough.

If he did, he'd have done it.

So, for me, him ploughing on won't be positive, it'll be awful. Just delaying the inevitable and dragging it out 

Sorry.

26 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

Admirable

But there’s a fine line between positivity and delusion  

 

 

I'm positive something has to change.

That could be a change of manager (potentially risky unless it's Neil Warnock ) it could Ian Evatt having a "road to Damascus" moment and abandoning his obsession with a particular playing style or it could be the players massively upping the performances.

The last one is essential regardless of who is managing.

I don't buy all this amateur psychology and anecdotal bollocks about Evatt's mental health - seems to me the guy is just being open and honest about the fact that his plan didn't work and we got spanked again - and I'm sure any manager would have had the same reaction although they might not have come out and said it publicly. The question for me is whether or not he plans to live or die by his belief in something that isn't working or if he is able to get back to the drawing board and come up with something better. Something has to change.

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Admirable

But there’s a fine line between positivity and delusion  

 

 

There is, hence why i said I might be proven wrong, and with football I'm used to being proven wrong, but for now, he's with us, and from what he said I can't see him backing down. 

Most would have taken heed from the playoff's and had another overhaul, but he's stubborn and simply put a midfielder further up, 

Even if he goes, we need to be behind the lads

Sadly there will be no change with IE

we might actually go and beat reading but ultimately it’s papering cracks

I'm kind of expecting a statement this week that he’s left by mutual agreement 

Hopefully IE goes in the next few days 

Leaving the football aside, for a bloke who has stated about how he's confident in his own ability,the body language,head bowed down is slightly worrying.For his own health he looks to be needing a break away from football 

 

44 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

would love it to still work out for him, whether it’s delusional or not he’s still got my backing. Having said that there would have to be a complete change of formation and tactics, having listened to some of his post match interviews I’m not sure he would be up for such changes. Even if he did change is way of playing to a more rigid style I’m not sure we have the right personnel, he seem to suggest that himself. All I know his we can’t carry on playing the way we do.

I thought that this could be his best season for us, he has had money, he should have been all fired up after Oxford defeat to really go for it and prove how good he is. I was looking forward to a really competitive season with the clubs that have come up and come down but something has gone completely wrong I can't see how he can turn it around unfortunately 

The only positive I can find today is looking at the petrol lawnmower that's in my shed. 

When Evatt sold his house in Lytham he left that behind and my mate laid some fake grass at the property rendering it useless.

It ended up in my shed and is a belting piece of machinery.

Everything has just hit rock bottom.

I don’t know the guy personally, none of us do. I imagine it’s the last thing he wanted, to be in this position, but the fact is we are and the atmosphere around the place is dung.

The season has barely got going so a change now could easily see us where we want to be, there’s 40 games left.

Thanks for steadying the ship Ian, but we need someone with more than just a copy of Guardiola’s autobiography in his locker.

All be forgotten by Xmas when we’re top.

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

Have you just drank through from yesterday?

27 minutes ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Even if he did change is way of playing to a more rigid style ...

MORE rigid ? This is the man who orders his players not to take quick free kicks or throw ins. His keeper to only release the ball one way. Everything has to be the pass to, pass to, pass to time wasting. It's automatons he wants. 

It's got to the stage where I'm starting to feel sorry for Evatt, won't do anybody any good prolonging the inevitable outcome.

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

Nothing at all against Evatt, and wish him well on what he does in the future, but he has been found out in league 1.........Last Christmas onwards opposition managers had him worked out.  He then had a chance to change. He either was stubborn or did not want to change or he simply was clueless.

His change of formation this season was simply staggering.  Get shot of him and both Bolton and Evatt can re-start

6 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

MORE rigid ? This is the man who orders his players not to take quick free kicks or throw ins. His keeper to only release the ball one way. Everything has to be the pass to, pass to, pass to time wasting. It's automatons he wants. 

Eh? We’re forever taking shitty little quick free kicks. 
 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Blondi said:

It's got to the stage where I'm starting to feel sorry for Evatt, won't do anybody any good prolonging the inevitable outcome.

that’s where i’m at. The man is likeable and i wish (hope) he could turn it round, just can’t understand how we’ve ended up here.

The fact he had Cameron Jerome at training Ground shoes he’s trying anything to lift the players.

Horrible at moment 

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

I might get proven wrong here, but reckon Evatt will stick it out, he's said he doesn't want this as his legacy. 

I'm hoping he does,  I'm hoping he looks at the team and rejig, we have some cracking players but this current game plan doesn't work.  . Once we're stable then bring back the pretty football that created 100+ goals last year. 

We've got a team that will walk into any other team, as shown by fringe players leaving and doing just that. 

Come Saturday ill be behind the lads, worth having one thread without any negativity? 

Some might struggle with this.. 

For the life of me I don't get this viewpoint.  Which of our players would walk into the Huddersfield team?  I'm not denying we have some decent players but so does every single team in this league.  Its all a bit delusional this overrating of our players, with the exception of Matete and Baxter they are L1 standard, and on some days not even that.  We had some better players over the last 2 years, but one by one IE has been letting them go and replacing them with in some cases inferior players.

What’s all this about his mental health? Has something been announced that I have missed? 

Just all about patience. There isn't any left.

Every missed placed pass, every backwards ball, every decision is jumped all over as folk have just had enough. And rightly so.

That feeds through to the players and they shit their pants.

It's just one big shit vicious cycle.

His last chance is a complete change of style and philosophy but our problems are way beyond simple tactical changes.

I think the dressing room is split. Some players just aren't having him.

Only positive is yesterday is a very big rude awakening for all concerned. 

Sort it out and sort it out quickly because at the minute we are relegation fodder. And we are shit in the winter.

2 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

I'm positive something has to change.

That could be a change of manager (potentially risky unless it's Neil Warnock ) it could Ian Evatt having a "road to Damascus" moment and abandoning his obsession with a particular playing style or it could be the players massively upping the performances.

The last one is essential regardless of who is managing.

I don't buy all this amateur psychology and anecdotal bollocks about Evatt's mental health - seems to me the guy is just being open and honest about the fact that his plan didn't work and we got spanked again - and I'm sure any manager would have had the same reaction although they might not have come out and said it publicly. The question for me is whether or not he plans to live or die by his belief in something that isn't working or if he is able to get back to the drawing board and come up with something better. Something has to change.

It certainly does but it won’t be Evatt.

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Everything has just hit rock bottom.

I don’t know the guy personally, none of us do. I imagine it’s the last thing he wanted, to be in this position, but the fact is we are and the atmosphere around the place is dung.

The season has barely got going so a change now could easily see us where we want to be, there’s 40 games left.

Thanks for steadying the ship Ian, but we need someone with more than just a copy of Guardiola’s autobiography in his locker.

All be forgotten by Xmas when we’re top.

Absolutely right spider, we’re even now only 6 points off the play offs and as you say there are 40 games left and 120 points still to play for no way is the season over yet. However much I want to believe he can I just can’t see IE changing his ways and beliefs because if he did he’d be admitting he was wrong and I just can’t see him doing that. He has to go now for us to have any chance so a mutual consent decision seems the only sensible one to me.